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It was strange to get that after such a mild and nearly snowless winter. Aside from that cold and snow on May 9th that period had literally nothing in common with 1976-77 lol. It's so strange how two radically different periods can sometimes have the same general kind of weather on the exact same day lol. The April 1976 to April 2002 comparison fits into this category too. Both Aprils had major heatwaves with almost the exact same high temperatures on almost the exact same days! But the summers that followed were radically different!

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/communities/westside/article_06ec8ba2-cbe3-11e7-a0b3-abf774bd3130.html https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/communities/westside/article_06ec8ba2-cbe3-11e7-a0b3-abf774bd3130.html Proposed Shintech Louisiana expansion leaves some Iberville parish residents on edge https://www.propublica.org/article/how-louisiana-lawmakers-stop-residents-efforts-to-fight-big-oil-and-gas https://www.propublica.org/series/polluters-paradise Polluter’s Paradise Environmental Impact in Louisiana The petrochemical industry has grown in Louisiana, with more plants on the way, but the state’s environmental regulations haven’t kept up. https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse Welcome to “Cancer Alley,” Where Toxic Air Is About to Get Worse Air quality has improved for decades across the U.S., but Louisiana is backsliding. Our analysis found that a crush of new industrial plants will increase concentrations of cancer-causing chemicals in predominantly black and poor communities. https://projects.propublica.org/louisiana-toxic-air/ In a Notoriously Polluted Area of the Country, Massive New Chemical Plants Are Still Moving In https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/article_c30d4620-a1be-11e9-837c-13f09466bb79.html For massive new plants, Formosa wants OK to double amount of chemicals released into St. James Parish air https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse https://www.propublica.org/article/in-cancer-alley-toxic-polluters-face-little-oversight-from-environmental-regulators For massive new plants, Formosa wants OK to double amount of chemicals released into St. James Parish air In a Notoriously Polluted Area of the Country, Massive New Chemical Plants Are Still Moving In

This is worthy of a major billion dollar class action lawsuit https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse ST. GABRIEL, La. — Over a half-century, Hazel Schexnayder saw this riverside hamlet transformed from a collection of old plantations, tin-roofed shacks and verdant cornfields into an industrial juggernaut. By the early 1990s, she’d had enough of the towering chemical plants and their mysterious white plumes, the roadside ditches oozing with blue fluid, the air that smelled of rotten eggs and nail-polish remover, the neighbors suffering miscarriages and dying of cancer. “We were inundated with plants,” Schexnayder, now 87, said. “We didn’t need any more around here.” She and others began pushing back in 1993, and the following year, residents voted to turn their corner of unincorporated Iberville Parish into the city of St. Gabriel. They wanted sidewalks and other amenities, but more than that, they wanted some say over the chemical plants popping up in their backyards. While the newly created city was able to keep new plants out, the petrochemical pileup continued unabated beyond St. Gabriel’s borders. “I bet you money there are 20 plants right now just around St. Gabriel,” Schexnayder said, nearly twice as many as there were when the incorporation drive began. She’s not even close. There are now 30 large petrochemical plants within 10 miles of her house, most of them outside the city limits. Thirteen are within a 3-mile radius of her home. The nearest facility, only a mile away, is the world’s largest manufacturer of polystyrene, commonly known as Styrofoam. Stories of fed-up Louisianans like Schexnayder fighting back against corporate polluters have gotten worldwide media attention over the last year, as a raft of enormous new petrochemical facilities takes shape along the Mississippi River corridor. Much of the focus has been on the potential hazards posed by specific plants, including the $9.4 billion plastics factory that Formosa plans to build in St. James Parish and the long-standing Denka neoprene facility in St. John Parish, whose dangerous emissions were highlighted in an Environmental Protection Agency model that estimates cancer risk around chemical plants. Indeed, the stretch of the Mississippi River between New Orleans and Baton Rouge is nicknamed “Cancer Alley” because of its concentration of petrochemical facilities.

I have the original report from the EPA. I'll send that to you There isn't that much of a difference between 50x and 86x because both way way are too high and EPA alleges racism occurring at the Louisiana DEP (and they're probably right.) This is a long report. https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2022-10/2022 10 12 Final Letter LDEQ LDH 01R-22-R6%2C 02R-22-R6%2C 04R-22-R6.pdf I also found this paper https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac4360 There's also some related research about racism in Louisiana about how air pollution regulations and emissions of toxic chemicals is concerned. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667010022002281 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780128190081000134 In the article they mention the town of Reserve Louisiana has that excessive risk of cancer. This is also mentioned in that 56 page EPA PDF I linked to earlier in the post. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cancer-alley-reserve-louisiana-denka-plant-health-risk-higher-national-average-2019-07-24/ Reserve, Louisiana — In a Louisiana town of 10,000 people, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said there is some of the most toxic air in America. More than 100 petrochemical plants and refineries dot the corridor between New Orleans and Baton Rouge, often referred to as "cancer alley." The town of Reserve is right in the middle of it, and the cancer risk there is almost 50 times the national average, according to the EPA. Robert Taylor has lived there most of his 78 years. Even his family cemetery is surrounded by a refinery. He said his mom, sister, uncle and nephew all died of cancer. "As I stand here, it's overwhelming to me. All of my folks are here. I will eventually wind up here," he said. For decades, people in Reserve have had health problems ranging from dizziness and severe headaches to liver and lung cancer. Many believe a plant, hundreds of yards from some of their homes, is the source. The Denka Performance Elastomer plant, owned by DuPont until 2015, makes chloroprene, a chemical the EPA calls a "likely human carcinogen." Denka is the only plant in the country producing it.

So maybe we'll have an early May like we did in 2020?

Yes, I remember it well, the heat plus the crime reached astonishing levels! It's funny I remember it well even though I wasn't even 4 years old yet but I remember being scared in the dark and hearing police sirens all night long.... We had a similar occurrence in 2003 (minus all the crime of course.)

It makes me wonder why there was such a narrow range on May 9, 1977 of 43-38? Did JFK get a T of snow that day as well as on May 9, 2020? Those have to be their latest traces of snowfall?

These same companies (DuPont I'm looking at you!) are causing the PFOA plague that's afflicting the planet right now.

It's close enough-- I have very little patience for primitive people who think pollution isn't a huge problem. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/12/reserve-louisiana-cancer-epa-monitoring Residents of Cancer Town urge tougher measures to monitor toxins This article is more than 4 years old The town at the center of a Guardian series, where the cancer risk is 50 times the national average, is critical of a planned monitoring system https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cancer-alley-reserve-louisiana-denka-plant-health-risk-higher-national-average-2019-07-24/ Reserve, Louisiana — In a Louisiana town of 10,000 people, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said there is some of the most toxic air in America. More than 100 petrochemical plants and refineries dot the corridor between New Orleans and Baton Rouge, often referred to as "cancer alley." The town of Reserve is right in the middle of it, and the cancer risk there is almost 50 times the national average, according to the EPA. Robert Taylor has lived there most of his 78 years. Even his family cemetery is surrounded by a refinery. He said his mom, sister, uncle and nephew all died of cancer. "As I stand here, it's overwhelming to me. All of my folks are here. I will eventually wind up here," he said. For decades, people in Reserve have had health problems ranging from dizziness and severe headaches to liver and lung cancer. Many believe a plant, hundreds of yards from some of their homes, is the source. The Denka Performance Elastomer plant, owned by DuPont until 2015, makes chloroprene, a chemical the EPA calls a "likely human carcinogen." Denka is the only plant in the country producing it.

You really need to be educated, so you should read more and post less. https://aqli.epic.uchicago.edu/news/polluted-air-shortens-human-lifespans-more-than-tobacco-study-finds/#:~:text=That is the conclusion of,expectancy by 2.3 years worldwide. Cigarette smoking and other uses of tobacco shave an average of 2.2 years off lifespans globally. But merely breathing—if the air is polluted—is more damaging to human health. That is the conclusion of a report published Tuesday by the University of Chicago’s Energy Policy Institute, which identified air pollution as the world’s top threat to public health, responsible for reducing average life expectancy by 2.3 years worldwide. China, once the poster child for smog-filled skies, has been a surprise success story. Between 2013 and 2021, the world’s second-largest economy improved overall air quality by more than 40% while the average lifespan of residents increased by more than two years, according to the report. By contrast, four countries in South Asia—India, Bangladesh Nepal and Pakistan—accounted for more than half of the total years of life lost globally due to pollution in the atmosphere over the same eight years. India alone was responsible for nearly 60% of the growth in air pollution across the globe during that time. If India were to meet World Health Organization guidelines for particulate pollution, the life expectancy for residents of capital city New Delhi would increase by 12 years. India’s Ministry of Environment, Forests and Climate Change didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. An increase in wildfires in places such as California and Canada has renewed attention on the dangers of polluted air. Around 350 cities globally suffer the same level of dangerous haze that enveloped New York City in June at least once a year, according to calculations from environmental think tank Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air, which aggregates data from dozens of official government sources. How seriously a country takes the problem typically depends in part on public awareness, according to Michael Greenstone, an economics professor at the University of Chicago who contributed to the report. Knowledge of the health risks of poor air quality is low in many African and Asian countries, which suffer the worst outcomes. “Air-pollution improvements are often driven by the demand of the people,” he said. Having access to reliable monitoring tools to enforce clean-air requirements is also important, he said.

You don't sound logical or rational with your take here. So let me make it easy for you. Fossil fuels + POPULATION EXPLOSION = MASSIVE RATES OF POLLUTION You do the math here, with billions upon billions of people driving cars, trucks, and what have you..... it's a simple equation to solve really. Pre Industrial Revolution, how many people lived on the planet? You should be smart enough to figure this out yourself and if you're not, what exactly are you doing on this forum? The health impacts of toxic fossil fuels far outweigh ANY temperature increase and it's the health impact that will move the needle, because people really don't care about a temperature that's a few degrees warmer regardless of the other impacts it will have.

https://www.businessinsider.com/louisiana-cancer-alley-photos-oil-refineries-chemicals-pollution-2019-11 Plenty of material around, I'm shocked you don't know about it People living in the area are more than 50 times as likely to get cancer than the average American. https://www.propublica.org/article/in-cancer-alley-toxic-polluters-face-little-oversight-from-environmental-regulators https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse

It's actually much more complicated than that. Most of the pollution of fossil fuels and their health impacts are borne by minority communities. But people are finally waking up to this and activists scored major victories that have banned new petrochemical facilities being created in Cancer Alley in Louisiana where cancer rates are 86x higher because of pollution from fossil fuels. The civil rights movement and the environmental movement have united to fight the same enemies-- even this Earth Day is labeled Plastics vs The Planet, as the fossil fuel cartels have shifted to plastics as their main source of revenue since renewables are replacing them for energy. The question then becomes where do you want these toxic petrochemical factories to be built? In your town? Luckily you won't have to make that hard decision because there's a global plastics treaty being organized right now to finally eliminate plastics once and for all and shut down this toxic revenue stream of the corrupt fossil fuel cartels.

Very small spread of 43-38 at JFK on May 7, 1977! 43 had to be the lowest low in the month of May at JFK?

Wow thanks Chris-- and did May 9th in both 1977 and 2020 record a T of snow in both Central Park and JFK?

People don't have to do anything though. There's a few simple things that are already happening. More people driving electric vehicles (which will be the only vehicles produced by 2035). This will curb air pollution and asthma. Even airlines are now starting to work with green fuels (biofuels). The plastics treaty which will end plastic trash by converting to plant based plastics (which will stop the health impacts of plastics causing organ damage.) And net zero by 2050 means there won't be any more of an impact of CO2 than what we already have because whatever carbon pollution we cause will be balanced out with the much higher usage of renewables.

There's also the case of modern medicines. But we can also question if longevity better health and I'm not sure it does. Asthma and air pollution are much higher than they were before the industrial revolution and air pollution is listed as the number one shortener of life ahead of tobacco smoking.

I enjoy it more than looking at the craters on the moon because the craters don't move! It's fun discovering new sunspots too, the sun is full of surprises my friend!

Thanks, Don. Did that date and May 9, 2020 both have a trace of snow at JFK? Also, what was the recorded low at JFK in 1977-- was that their latest temperature of 32 or lower? Weird to see it repeat on exactly the same date, but that seems to happen quite often!

I read about May 1977 when the Catskills were buried in over a foot of snow. I was in the Poconos in May 1977 and got to see it snow all day, which was pretty amazing.

Greenskeeper needs to be dissolved in a vat of oil. Why are illiterate backwards thinking fools even allowed to log on here?

These corrupt cartels are even going after lawyers and countries who sue them for damages and they bribe judges to help them. Lewis Kaplan needs to be called out as one of these corrupt judges who takes bribes from the fossil fuel cartels (and who used to work for them). He hired private lawyers to prosecute Steven Donziger who won a 10 billion dollar lawsuit against Chevron because of massive waterway pollution in Ecuador. Chevron even got a witness to commit perjury and paid this witness 2 million dollars and have not paid one cent of the settlement. Big corporations in various industries are now using similar methods to avoid paying lawsuits.

Thanks Tony, and a Trace of snow on the 9th? That high of 49 on May 9th with sunshine (most of the time) is pretty crazy too. Is that an all time low for the month of May for JFK?

Instead the -NAO are happening in April and May lol. I didn't know how much fun watching sunspots could be. The trio of sunspots I photographed near the "top" of the sun have now moved to the middle of the sun. They moved this much in just a week or 10 days.

I jumped ship in 2002 lol