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I remember that was a really windy and stormy month, what a crazy fall that was, the earliest leaf drop that ever happened as far as I remember. I dont remember the July outbreak either, looks like that year had a lot of similarities to 1998 with all the severe wx outbreaks

Yep with higher education rates the birth rate drops....based on UN estimates population will stabilize around 10 billion by 2050

what about 1989?

I'm going to be in the Poconos for Thanksgiving so I need to know days in advance what the weather will be like,.

edit- how many outbreaks did we have in 1989? Based on what I've found there were at least 3- one in July and 2 in November? wow! Sort of like 1998 when we had a major outbreak in May and another one in September.... The one in July 1989 (which I dont even remember) had an F4 in CT?! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Northeastern_United_States_tornado_outbreak#Long_Island Connecticut tornado family An hour after the previous event caused destruction in Upstate New York, a new tornado family began producing significant damage in the adjacent state of Connecticut. The first tornado, which may have been three separate tornadoes, started its path of destruction in Cornwall, leveling a virgin forest known as Cathedral Pines. At the nearby Mohawk Mountain Ski Area, every ski lift was destroyed, with some lift chairs found miles away.[5] The tornado continued south-southeast through Milton, leveling hundreds more trees, and destroyed the village of Bantam before dissipating.[1] Strong downburst winds continued to cause damage and level trees after this tornado lifted: it was during this period between tornadoes that a 12-year-old girl was killed by falling trees in Black Rock State Park.[4][6] Soon afterwards, another tornado touched down in Watertown, passing through Oakville and northern Waterbury, damaging or destroying 150 homes.[1] The Hamden tornado was by far the most destructive tornado of this family, and possibly the most damaging of the entire outbreak. It touched down at 5:38 pm near the Wilbur Cross Parkway.[7][8] Industrial cranes and cars were tossed through the air, and rows of houses, as well as an industrial park, were flattened.[9] The tornado lifted just a few minutes later at 5:45.[7] The damage path was only five miles long, stopping just short of the city of New Haven, but it damaged or destroyed almost 400 structures in its path.[1] The storm was so intense at this point that an 80 mph (130 km/h) wind gust was measured in downtown New Haven after the tornado dissipated.[6] About the same time, a tornado struck the area between Carmel and Brewster, New York, unroofing a condominium complex. Five people were injured.[2] Long Island The storms continued to produce damage after crossing onto Long Island. An F2 tornado caused significant damage in the town of East Moriches. A man was thrown with his trailer across an airfield; he escaped the destroyed trailer with only minor injuries.[6] The tornado was accompanied by 2.5 inch (6.4 cm) hail. Other areas further east also saw straight-line wind damage and hail up to an inch across.[4]

a classic article about a classic severe weather outbreak https://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/21/nyregion/sudden-winds-reach-100-mph-as-storm-sweeps-new-york-region.html A severe line of thunderstorms with damaging winds swept through the New York metropolitan area last night, toppling trees, blowing out windows, disrupting some electrical service and causing scattered subway and traffic delays, officials said. The wind and rain blew in from the northwest traveling at a speed of 50 miles per hour, with gusts of up to 100 m.p.h. Very cold air from the northwest ran into warmer air over the region, touching off the storms and high winds. The National Weather Service clocked gusts of up to 58 m.p.h. in Central Park, 76 m.p.h. at La Guardia Airport and 85 m.p.h. in Wayne, N.J. At Newark Airport, an empty Continental Boeing 727, was blown up against a fuel truck and a baggage truck by a gust of wind. Port Authority police said no one was injured. Crane Topples Over

so this is a storm thats supposed to happen before Thanksgiving or the day after?

November 1989 just in terms of severe weather damage. Here's what I remember from having a fire drill that day and going outside We went out into the football field, but had huge problems getting the doors open because the winds were pushing so hard against it. Got outside and saw these strange green clouds hanging from the sky in weird shapes, festoons and pointy triangular shapes with the vertices of the triangles pointed downward, many of them spinning. First time I ever saw that. And it was like that all afternoon and most of the leaves on the trees came down on that day. The earliest I've ever seen them come down. I should say the Labor Day 1998 outbreak is right up there too- we had a F2 tornado hit Lynbrook and lots of damage and destruction around!

Goes along with my thinking, overpopulation is one of the largest problems humans face and we need to keep it at 10 billion or under https://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html

Shocked that Shirley tornado wasn't at least an EF2. Was it stronger than the others because two tornadoes combined to produce that one? And are EF2 and F2 tornadoes equivalent....in other words was the 1998 Labor Day Lynbrook F2 tornado about as strong as an EF2 tornado would be today?

whats the difference between asperatus and mammatus? I thought mammatus were tornado clouds? I remember seeing them in November 1989...... we were at high school and were told to go outside onto the football field and I saw clouds that hung down like sacs from the sky, they looked like they were spinning too...multiple spinning vortices in the sky and the wind was blowing so hard we could barely open the door

Chris how does this compare to the Labor Day 1998 F2 tornado in Lynbrook? What towns did that pass over and is there a map of its path? Was that the strongest tornado that ever hit Long Island?

I lived through that outbreak, it was MUCH worse than the current outbreak, it was like we were in the midwest lol.

that was an amazing outbreak- I still remember it! I'm sure there were tornadoes on Long Island in November 1989 but we just didn't record them as well as we do now.

How does this compare to the November 1989 severe weather outbreak? I thought we had tornadoes then too?

how does one compare the old F scale to the new EF scale? For example in 1998 on Labor Day an F2 tornado hit Lynbrook....what would that be rated on the EF scale? And why make a new scale, instead of adjusting the wind speeds on the old scale? It makes things much more confusing.

7th on Long Island? I thought there were 4 on Long Island and 4 in CT?

thats the tornado that hit here! we lost power for 3 hours!

he pops in all of a sudden during warm patterns and mysteriously disappears during cold patterns lol and the most ironic thing is his handle is "snowman" I wish a mod would change it to "rainman" like the guy in the movie ;-)

3-6" inches on Long Island, I loved that storm

12/20-12/30 wasnt warm, we had snow from mid December (from the above storm) that stuck on the ground all the way to the January blizzard...as a matter of fact late December and early January was probably the most consistently cold that it was that winter.

yep about the same NYC got

all winters have thaws

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