LibertyBell

Yep, I don't know what your average snowfall is, but I would say you need to have at least a 50" snowfall average to get the kind of winters most of us want and preferably higher than that. My house in the Poconos at 2200 ft averages about 70 inches a year but it's only at the latitude of The Bronx. It catches both the southern storms and the inland storms. I can live with not getting the eastern coastals in exchange for constant snowcover and days of light snow that it catches from Lake Effect streamers too. It even gets a lot of rain from tropical systems.

yeah the -NAO "saved" us...but because of the Pacific it was basically snowless for us. I'd rather have the +NAO then when the Pacific was terrible, than the +NAO in January when the Pacific got better.

we have two predominant storm tracks. one is north of the area and the other is south of the area. You really saw that this year, as you're seeing both ACY and BOS do much better than us. This is actually a rather common pattern you also saw it in the 80s. The SWFE bowling ball pattern that hit us the hardest were most common in the 90s and have become rare again. It's actually better to be both north and south of here to get better snowstorms than it is to be here

60s is ideal

The only two seasons these didn't trend warmer were in 93-94 and the second half of 06-07 and the one storm in Feb 08

Manhattan is borderline, it's on an island so I would say it's coast. Bronx's southern part should be considered coast.

no one lives on Plum Island do they? Thats where the military had their horrendous virus experiment facility which was shuttered and moved to Kansas if I remember correctly.

what is it that makes some storms mostly snowy on an east wind and others arent? Especially in late February and early March when we have our coldest SST I distinctly remember the late Feb 2010 blockbuster being all snow on a southerly wind.

December was meh, honestly we would have been far better off with a +NAO in December and save the -NAO to when the Pacific was better, namely January and February.

I think the chances of 10 inches total snowfall in March is getting less and less. It would be good to get to near average snowfall in the month...5-6 inches, but I would say even that is doubtful.

Fact is, as we argue over December or March being real winter months, the only real winter months for us are January and February. If we don't get at least average snowfall in BOTH, we are usually screwed-- December and March are both toss up months and more likely to underproduce especially in urban areas. We usually need at least 2 months of average snowfall to have a decent winter and that needs to be January and February. Bigger snowstorms are more likely in December than March, so it's better to have a snowy December than a snowy March. We had the snowy December last season and you saw how much better we did.

Only 65 in Feb 2018? That sucks-- I wonder how that happened when LGA hit 80-- strong southerly wind all day? I dont remember Feb 2017 at all-- what temps did the other airports and NYC hit that day? Interesting that after both warm ups we had significant March snows. And wow JFK hit 65 in Feb 1996? That was a very cold and snowy month-- I don't remember that- I only remember the three week break in January after the big Blizzard when we hit 66 and had severe thunderstorms.

Yep, this isn't a VD 2007 repeat or even St Paddy's Day 2007 for that matter.

Yep starting to feel cold. I wish this would've waited for the morning.

Good point

Oh I remember that storm sucked, I dont think anyone on Long Island got anything, north shore, south shore didn't matter in December 2005. We had a gradient storm of a different kind in February 2006 when NYC got 26 inches and out here we got like 13 lol. I actually dont remember January 1994 for anything but ice lol I dont remember February 1999 for anything at all.

I'm not sure how many want jackpots, but most people probably want a storm that doesnt change to rain and dumps at least 6 inches area wide..... at least 10 inches area wide would be ideal but beggars cant be choosers

Yup I saw a forecast today for like 1" of snow in NYC and 8-9" as close as Yonkers

Don dont strongly positive regimes of this time generally last around 6 weeks or so before breaking down? Also that 69 temp at JFK....was February 2018 the last time JFK hit 70 in February, and did it get to 75 that day there?

It's easier to do when it's not this active (like in the middle of the night) I literally get a bunch of notifications within a few seconds of each other during active times.

But wouldn't you consider all kinds of gradients....like what I mentioned in the previous post, you can have longitude gradients too, where JFK gets a lot more than NYC does, we had that in January and a few other times I remember. I think that's more common than the latitude gradient across the city.

I'm trying to remember the greatest difference I can think of....I think it was December 2009 when NYC had 10 inches of snow and JFK had 15 inches, so that was a gradient storm with the further east you go getting you more snow lol In that respect the January storm was a gradient storm too, because NYC had 8 inches while JFK had 13 inches. But the north/south gradient storms are actually less common....I can't remember too many of those because the distance between NYC and JFK isn't enough to create a large gradient of that kind (its more east west than it is north south)

I hate winter storm warnings and just the terminology "winter storm" because snow and ice can occur in any season besides summer. I think we need a separate warning system for snow and it needs to start at either 10 or 12 inches of snow and get rid of the terminology of " winter storms completely. Keep everything separate-- snow storms, ice storms and frozen starts (which would be a mixture)

I'm going to use the old line and ask.....aren't all storms gradient storms? lol

wow thats interesting, it stayed just below freezing here both days. It must matter where on the south shore you are, the farther east you go the higher the temps. Another example is March 1993, when JFK got 12 inches of snow and Oceanside got 10 inches....as soon as you went east of Oceanside the amounts dropped off