LibertyBell

the summers between 2010 and 2013 were much hotter than this though

March 1990 was epic and I remember it to this day. Bermuda shorts in NY, no need to go somewhere else on spring break lol. It felt like summer. And then we had snow in early April lol. 1-2"

I loved how it was way more like 1982-83 than 1997-98, we got the all time south shore snowstorm in late January. It makes me think 1997-98 was an outlier in that even if we have a big el nino with mild temperatures, chances are at the peak of winter there will be one huge snowstorm and it'll favor the south shore.

Thanks it also looks like we almost had a 3 year el nino in the early 50s? 1951-52 through 1953-54? 1952-53 just barely missed as it didn't get into el nino three month averages until February.

that sounds very similar to the April 1910 storm!

thats extremely unfortunate I really loved and enjoyed those dry summers, the last two that I remember were like that were 2002 and 2010. I loved those summers! Nice dry heat. Since the early 2010s peak heating our highs have gotten less and the lows have gotten higher like you said, especially for coastal areas.

Lake Powell looks like it's not going to be functional as a reservoir for much longer. Lake Mead looks like its water levels are going down too. Overpopulation is a big problem but the population is starting to stabilize and the latest predictions state that it won't get over 10 billion, which is around the earth's carrying capacity.

Read about Donziger though, there's a bunch of federal judges willing to do the bidding of the cartels and arrest the lawyers who sue them.

The only other three year la nina I can find besides 1998-99 through 2000-01 in this list is 1973-74 through 1975-76. https://origin.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ONI_v5.php I thought this was interesting too https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/elnino/lanina-faq Is there such a thing as "normal", aside from El Niño and La Niña? Over the long-term record, sea-surface temperatures in the central and eastern tropical Pacific diverge from normal in a roughly bell-curve fashion, with El Niño and La Niña at the tails of the curve. Some researchers argue there are only two states, El Niño and non-El Niño, while others believe either El Niño or La Niña is always present to a greater or lesser degree. According to one expert, NCAR's Kevin Trenberth, El Niños were present 31% of the time and La Niñas 23% of the time from 1950 to 1997, leaving about 46% of the period in a neutral state. Other notes: this seems to show that 2014-15 and 2015-16 was a two year el nino, and the only other examples of that are 1986-87 and 1987-88, 1976-77 and 1977-78 and 1957-58 and 1958-59 and 1968-69 and 1969-70. Also 2015-16 seems to be the strongest el nino on record, beating out 1997-98.

well thats good, so April wont be a cool rainy month then? Question about this late March cooldown, you dont see this lasting more than 5 days or so? Also question more long term, since next season is predicted to be a La Nina (53% chance) do you have an early look at possible analogs for third year la ninas? I believe we had three consecutive la ninas in the late nineties-- 98-99/99-00/00-01....the third year was actually the best of the bunch with the December snowstorm but ended on a sour note in March, but still over 30 inches of snow! Have other third year la ninas been better than the previous year too? Either way, at least it's not neutral which looks like the worst combo for us (neutral after la nina)..... as 1989-90 and 2001-02 would attest to.

LGA but no JFK? What year has the earliest snowfall records from JFK or Idlewild? Was that the storm in which Babylon got over 2 feet? I thought there was another one in the 50s (58?) where they got close to 30 inches?

What about the April 1910 (?) event that gave NYC 10 inches and 19 inches in Philly, was that a blizzard? And was the March 1958 event the one that dropped 29 inches at Babylon?

Getting sick over the weekend with the unseasonable cold and wind we had made me realize I'm over the cold for at least 8 months.

We'll find out in a few years I guess, we've never had more than a three year la nina have we? Why are multiyear la ninas more common than multiyear el ninos?

when are we going to have our best chance at 70? it hit 69 here in February, it can't be that hard to get to 70 at the coast

no lol although it was adorable someone said hurricane haha

I'm actually more interested in the late 90s snow drought. So that was a three year la nina like we could have this time around, correct? Maybe we could compare snowfall totals to this 3 year period to see what kind of effect climate change has had on increasing snowfall even during down years in the 25 yrs since then?

you're not dumb you know why it's snowed more.....climate change = more moisture = more chances of snow. If you look at the years in the range you specified they were MUCH colder than the winters we have now.

we might need climate modification to end la nina from what I've been reading about the abnormal warming of the west pac This might be a permanent condition now

was that the biggest snowstorm we've ever had post March 15? Wasnt there one like that in 1958 too?

I did, tornado was pretty obvious

how about we meet in the middle and establish a new clock thats 30 min ahead of standard time year round?

the problem is it's no longer the heart of winter, winter now actually consists of two months-- January and February. If both of those months aren't snowy then winter will usually suck.

The interesting aspect of this is two fold, will it a) increase the rate of icemelt of the Greenland Ice Shelf and b) will it accelerate sea level rise even more than what's currently projected to occur by 2050 and 2100?

This is amazing. Posted just now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter besides direct climate modification done intentionally this may be the only other way to avoid a climate catastrophe Nuclear winter is a severe and prolonged global climatic cooling effect that is hypothesized[1][2] to occur after widespread firestorms following a large-scale nuclear war.[3] The hypothesis is based on the fact that such fires can inject soot into the stratosphere, where it can block some direct sunlight from reaching the surface of the Earth. It is speculated that the resulting cooling would lead to widespread crop failure and famine.[4][5] When developing computer models of nuclear-winter scenarios, researchers use the conventional bombing of Hamburg, and the Hiroshima firestorm in World War II as example cases where soot might have been injected into the stratosphere,[6] alongside modern observations of natural, large-area wildfire-firestorms.[3][7][8]