LibertyBell

Your wife may disagree lol

Some stories out of Dome A in Antarctica include ummm waste products freezing before they leave the "person" when trying to "remove" them outside....

Must be some Super Men in that group lol

Wow, that brought back memories when we set the hourly rainfall record twice a couple of years ago during tropical season. This does have the feel of a tropical type event on the front end-- is there a tropical connection with this, Don?

I'll blow away

snow actually makes people feel better than just cloudy and cold. snow is bright so it simulates the effects of sunlight and it actually feels warmer when it's snowing than it does when it's dry and cold. cloudy and humid summers are the worst

NW winds are boring though, nothing happens with them outside of colder temperatures (better in the summer though for extreme heat with dry weather.) Speaking of S/SW winds didn't we have a Blizzard in late February 2010 and 20" of snow (a foot here) on a southerly wind?

The April storm was THE BEST!

We (the south shore) made up for it because we got 2 FEET of snow in February 1983, my first ever true HECS (April 1982 also counts because of how late in the season it was and how late it happened.)

What was the reasoning for that? I liked the old charts better. We had some -45 to -60 wind chills back then! But it was also much colder in the 80s (and felt like it.) Much drier too.

Didn't Cheyenne record their alltime lowest ever temp at -42?

77-78 was a backloaded winter too lol You can put 81-82 and 82-83 in that list too.

Yeah 4-5 inches there and up to 8 inches here on the south shore (similar in some ways to April 2003) it didn't accumulate on the north shore and LGA because of the wind off the Sound.

I lived through those winters and they were ALL HORRIBLE The entire period from the late 80s through the early 90s was the worst on record. the worst ones were 87-88, 88-89, 89-90, 90-91, 91-92....things started to get better in 92-93, 93-94 was awesome, 94-95 was awful again (also an el nino), 95-96 was the best ever (a la nina), 96-97, 97-98, 98-99, 99-00 were all horrible again, 00-01 was pretty good except for the March 01 debacle, 01-02 was one of the worst on record, and starting with 02-03 they were amazing again.

Historically el ninos aren't any better for us than la ninas are, people need to let go of this crutch that enso matters that much around here-- it does not. Our two best snowfall seasons were la ninas and our worst two were el ninos. It still doesn't matter because you have plenty of both in each group.

What do you think of the models that are showing sound effect snow and even bay effect snow for Fire Island on Saturday?

Yeah thats what I thought-- we didn't have any snowstorms prior to December between 1995 and 2011.

No there was no measurable snow before December in 2002 LOL

It's fine as long as it comes before the end of January

2013-14 was a lot better than 1989-90

No there was no snow in 02 before December lol

1- 12-13 was only a mediocre winter 2. 02-03 snow before December was nonexistent 3. The only one that makes the pro list is 95-96 also you forgot one for the con list 89-90

The reasoning is there needs to be spacing between snowfalls so a snowstorm in November likely means you won't see much in December. And there's a pretty good signal for a mild November into a snowy Winter (less so now, but it was 6 out of 6 through 1994.) The only exception in that list is 95-96 1) 12-13 was only an average so-so mediocre winter 2) there was no snowfall in 02-03 prior to December.

That was an eastern new england winter, not the kind that would do well back here. Plus you have to remember that a bunch of snow came in November. I would consider it an average winter overall, better than 2011-12 for sure but nothing to write home about.

The earliest big snowstorm I've ever seen.