LibertyBell

are we on a typical north florida pace?

so less cold but more snow (since the positive PDO caused suppression in 1984-85? not really sure why it didn't snow much that winter.)

We got our record today, it was warmer than yesterday! Low 60s and sunshine all day long! Too bad NYC didn't get a record but we did here and at JFK. Interesting comparison to 1984 too, chances of a severe arctic outbreak in Jan like we had in Jan 1985? Note there was very little snow, it was just pure Arctic air. The coldest I've ever seen here and no snow with it. With snow it would have been even colder.

We have so many of these indices and indicators that it seems like a zoo of nonsense now. This is like where chemistry was before there was a periodic table or particle physics was before we knew about quarks. All of this needs to be reduced to 3 or 4 primary indicators, I'm sure the rest just emerge from the basic 3 or 4, and use the primary ones to predict everything. It's like with these weather models there are way too many of them, just shut down the worst performing ones and go with the 3-4 best ones.

wow 3-5 years from now looks like a huge glacier on Antarctica is going to melt and when it does sea level will rise by FEET that and organic molecules found in a crater on Mars I think our new planet is calling article- okay the glacier melts in 3-5 years and the ice shelf that can cause the big sea level rise occurs thereafter, but it sounds like this will happen within our lifetimes https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/12/13/thwaites-glacier-melt-antarctica/

Pretty soon they'll be spraying chlorox from helicopters right onto the streets like they did in 2020 in Italy

Just found out from my sister that the squirrels just got busy gathering nuts they weren't doing it this entire month until now.

https://twitter.com/i/events/1470848067670724611 The Antarctic is signaling big climate trouble The sea is releasing ancient carbon dioxide and vast ice shelves are melting from below. See why new research has experts increasingly worried. Video via @JessePesta

thanks, something I found interesting well 2 things actually 1-- though 3" seems to be needed for average or above seasonal snowfall in la ninas it is by no means a guarantee of that. I see some years with 6" of December snowfall still end up below normal. 2- some years are close misses, like 1988-89 when Atlantic City got 19" of snow in a snowstorm in February and we got zilch. How much does that come down to randomization and we were extremely unlucky because we missed a huge snowstorm by a tiny amount? Are big February snowstorms rare in la ninas-- I seem to remember a few of them.

I hear geese in the middle of the night, are they migrating this late?

Did any of you guys see the Geminid meteor shower last night? It was very nice-- especially between 2 and 5 am. It should also be good tonight.

Can the -NAO/-AO be strong enough to knock down the -PNA? I thought it's best to use analogs starting around the 20th of the previous month?

But by random, the site location could also make it random since you can't make the same correlation with JFK for example. So a random band of snow could've parked itself over Central Park to get it to 3" and it didn't happen at nearby official measuring sites. If you made the same list for JFK, how closely does it match the above vs their average seasonal snowfall? Also shouldn't 2020-21 be on this list since that was a La Nina we had last year?

May was hotter in the 90s than it is now. Interesting how December 2010 stands out for cold throughout the globe

Yeah it's idiotic when people try to simplify everything down to ENSO That chart is pretty obvious..... use 50" snowfall winters as the cut off..... 4 were weak la ninas and 5 were neutral.

Wasn't 1966-67 one of the winters that fit the pattern you described above?

the connection to the 11 yr solar cycle is particularly interesting because it also reflects the spike in heat every 11 years

dont want severe cold here, that would mean dry and suppression

if a -NAO and -AO become strong enough can they build back west far enough to knock down the -PNA?

snowcover is much better in December, I haven't had any March snow that stuck around more than a day And no 10" March snowfalls here....

December and March both averaged around 6" prior to the 70s.

is this why we didn't get big snow in 2001-02 even when the -NAO happened in January and coastal Carolina got their historic snowstorm instead?

lol damn 2001-02 somehow still gets on this list. So the pattern did improve in Jan 2002 with a -NAO but it led to the historic suppressed Carolina snowstorm.

True lol, I hate shoveling snow.

Told you to move to the Poconos, 17.4 inches right over my house there lol. and it's only a little over 2 hours from NYC so you could easily commute back and forth. Screw the coast, it's going to be underwater soon enough anyway and everyone will be moving inland and to higher elevations.