LibertyBell

You don't sound logical or rational with your take here. So let me make it easy for you. Fossil fuels + POPULATION EXPLOSION = MASSIVE RATES OF POLLUTION You do the math here, with billions upon billions of people driving cars, trucks, and what have you..... it's a simple equation to solve really. Pre Industrial Revolution, how many people lived on the planet? You should be smart enough to figure this out yourself and if you're not, what exactly are you doing on this forum? The health impacts of toxic fossil fuels far outweigh ANY temperature increase and it's the health impact that will move the needle, because people really don't care about a temperature that's a few degrees warmer regardless of the other impacts it will have.

https://www.businessinsider.com/louisiana-cancer-alley-photos-oil-refineries-chemicals-pollution-2019-11 Plenty of material around, I'm shocked you don't know about it People living in the area are more than 50 times as likely to get cancer than the average American. https://www.propublica.org/article/in-cancer-alley-toxic-polluters-face-little-oversight-from-environmental-regulators https://www.propublica.org/article/welcome-to-cancer-alley-where-toxic-air-is-about-to-get-worse

It's actually much more complicated than that. Most of the pollution of fossil fuels and their health impacts are borne by minority communities. But people are finally waking up to this and activists scored major victories that have banned new petrochemical facilities being created in Cancer Alley in Louisiana where cancer rates are 86x higher because of pollution from fossil fuels. The civil rights movement and the environmental movement have united to fight the same enemies-- even this Earth Day is labeled Plastics vs The Planet, as the fossil fuel cartels have shifted to plastics as their main source of revenue since renewables are replacing them for energy. The question then becomes where do you want these toxic petrochemical factories to be built? In your town? Luckily you won't have to make that hard decision because there's a global plastics treaty being organized right now to finally eliminate plastics once and for all and shut down this toxic revenue stream of the corrupt fossil fuel cartels.

Very small spread of 43-38 at JFK on May 7, 1977! 43 had to be the lowest low in the month of May at JFK?

Wow thanks Chris-- and did May 9th in both 1977 and 2020 record a T of snow in both Central Park and JFK?

People don't have to do anything though. There's a few simple things that are already happening. More people driving electric vehicles (which will be the only vehicles produced by 2035). This will curb air pollution and asthma. Even airlines are now starting to work with green fuels (biofuels). The plastics treaty which will end plastic trash by converting to plant based plastics (which will stop the health impacts of plastics causing organ damage.) And net zero by 2050 means there won't be any more of an impact of CO2 than what we already have because whatever carbon pollution we cause will be balanced out with the much higher usage of renewables.

There's also the case of modern medicines. But we can also question if longevity better health and I'm not sure it does. Asthma and air pollution are much higher than they were before the industrial revolution and air pollution is listed as the number one shortener of life ahead of tobacco smoking.

I enjoy it more than looking at the craters on the moon because the craters don't move! It's fun discovering new sunspots too, the sun is full of surprises my friend!

Thanks, Don. Did that date and May 9, 2020 both have a trace of snow at JFK? Also, what was the recorded low at JFK in 1977-- was that their latest temperature of 32 or lower? Weird to see it repeat on exactly the same date, but that seems to happen quite often!

I read about May 1977 when the Catskills were buried in over a foot of snow. I was in the Poconos in May 1977 and got to see it snow all day, which was pretty amazing.

Greenskeeper needs to be dissolved in a vat of oil. Why are illiterate backwards thinking fools even allowed to log on here?

These corrupt cartels are even going after lawyers and countries who sue them for damages and they bribe judges to help them. Lewis Kaplan needs to be called out as one of these corrupt judges who takes bribes from the fossil fuel cartels (and who used to work for them). He hired private lawyers to prosecute Steven Donziger who won a 10 billion dollar lawsuit against Chevron because of massive waterway pollution in Ecuador. Chevron even got a witness to commit perjury and paid this witness 2 million dollars and have not paid one cent of the settlement. Big corporations in various industries are now using similar methods to avoid paying lawsuits.

Thanks Tony, and a Trace of snow on the 9th? That high of 49 on May 9th with sunshine (most of the time) is pretty crazy too. Is that an all time low for the month of May for JFK?

Instead the -NAO are happening in April and May lol. I didn't know how much fun watching sunspots could be. The trio of sunspots I photographed near the "top" of the sun have now moved to the middle of the sun. They moved this much in just a week or 10 days.

I jumped ship in 2002 lol

it carried into the spring and summer too, what an absolutely awesome summer that was!

34 wow, so close to freezing! Offhand, do you know the latest it's gotten to 32 degrees since 1974 (so over the last 50 years?) I know the 34 was on May 9th in 2020, what date did that 36 in 2021 occur on? Thanks! EDIT I CHECKED TONY'S POST AND IT WAS 36 ON THIS DATE IN 2021-- SO THIS MUST BE THE DAY! CHRIS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LOW WAS IN MAY 2020 at JFK, when Central Park's low was 34? They both received a T of snow, right? There was no measurable snow in our local area?

It's pretty rare to get below 40 degrees after 4/20, it's only happened a handful of times in my memory (and most of those were actually in early May like 2020, 1992, etc, and of course there was 1977.) 1983 stands out with a snowstorm on 4/20.

I don't understand why more people aren't honest about it being a climate emergency. When your house is burning do you debate about your next steps or do you take immediate action to stop the fire?

I like to say that the factors which cause evolution eventually result in the destruction of the evolving species.

No but it's an argument that is increasingly being used (in various political circles too). I would say that two wrongs create an even greater and self perpetuating wrong. Whether we're talking about colonialism or climate change.

In a way I feel like it's hardwired into nature. Think of it like this, for various reasons nature abhors domination by a single species or genus. Think of what happened in prior mass extinction events and what species went extinct. Like the dinosaurs for example. It really seems like there is a tipping point that gets triggered once a species becomes too dominant and nature has created this back channel to ensure its destruction when that happens. When you think of the planet as a living breathing superorganism that self-regulates, you can see why it would want to eliminate species that become so dominant that they completely take over the biome.

This is why I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to see that we are ALL part of the environment, so whatever we do to it, we are actually doing that to ourselves. There is a price to pay for convenience, and we are now paying it. We're mortgaging our future for what we have right now.

It really is an inflection point in history as you know well, John. Little differences can have major long term consequences. I'm wondering what kind of a world we'll be living in in 2050. Hopefully we are still around by then (I for one want to see that eclipse in 2045.) History seems to repeat itself even if we remember it-- this seems so much like the 60s.

They're also airing commercials now to try and make plastics seem recyclable.