LibertyBell

Do you agree it's good to see a coastal hugger right now because we're in a suppressed pattern? Not that such a storm can't happen in a suppressed pattern (see December 1989) which was the second blown 6-8 inch forecast in 1989 lol.

It dropped 20+ just inland from the coast and even a foot on Long Island so most would be happy if that kind of outcome happened again. Plus it was during a la nina and in the middle of a very cold pattern too.

No I mean, it took a similar path to that track. December 2000.

Millenium storm

yes it's actually good to see a coastal hugger right now

If you look specifically at January, our mean temp that month was in the mid to upper 20s for a large part of that decade with huge and historic arctic outbreaks in 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985 and 1989. But our Februarys were typically much warmer, so the cold was mostly confined to January (and sometimes December, as in 1989.) Cold and dry followed by rainy cutters was a big thing back then and sometimes we had small to moderate snowfalls. There were some underrated winters in the 80s though Christmas 1980 the only time I've ever seen it get below 0 on Christmas and snow fell! I find 1981-82 to be an extremely underrated winter-- check out what happened in January and then of course we had April. 1982-83 had the big HECS and the latest accumulating snowfall on record on April 20th. 1983-84 had the aforementioned moderate snowfalls (two 4 inchers) but was an extremely cold winter. January 1985 had the largest arctic outbreak I've ever experienced. January 1987 is an underrated winter storm. 1987-88 was an underrated winter. December 1989 we already discussed-- it was as frigid as our coldest Januarys. Keep in mind that although Central Park *only* got down to -1 or -2 in these arctic outbreaks (much colder than anything we've had since 2016 as it is), Newark and even Philly were MUCH colder. Around -10 on Christmas 1980, January 1982, January 1985. Could you imagine the headlines if it got down to -10 in the metro area now? real temperature-- not wind chill!

can't really complain about not being the jackpot when everyone gets over 20" (as per that map) lol

he's probably talking about when it was 65 at Newark about a week ago

all those places have way more ways of getting snow than this area does.

It's interesting to realize that for 85% of earth's history, ice caps didn't even exist.

eh the 1980s were EXTREMELY COLD, especially January. it's how we came to realize that just because it's cold doesn't mean it will snow lol.

That January 2018 storm we've been reminiscing about was way better than any of those March storms.

Maybe once in 10 years, I have a hard time believing that we'll get a storm like January 2016 again in our lifetimes, for the city and coast of course.

Wow thanks, Don, I wonder had there been weather instrumentation in Central Park it would have recorded a colder temperature than the -15 recorded in February 1934? The only colder temperature I see from New York City is the report of -16 during an extreme arctic outbreak in January 1783 (also after a volcanic eruption-- that was the famous one in Iceland.)

a road trip to Long Beach for this storm, JM?

If you've been through it before it doesn't mean as much. And it's much easier coping with missing a 6-8 inch snowstorm vs missing a 2 feet snowstorm (like what happened on 2-6-2010).

this is what stat geeks say when they don't understand science. we see this all the time in sports, some phantom goddess called *luck* is blamed when there are rational scientific reasons for everything. hint: if it was *luck* it wouldn't keep happening over and over again. Judge's bad performance in the playoffs... *luck*... sure keep telling yourself that (I'm sure he does too lol.)

Thanks, Tony, I loved reliving this, especially seeing the yellow radar reflectivity bands just sitting over us for hours! Do you have links like this for the January 2016 HECS too?

Is the faster jet stream occurring because the atmosphere is trying to balance out the heat and spread it more equitably?

we got a lot more than 9.8 inches here in western Long Island with all day blizzard conditions, more like 15-16 inches! Those were the good old days....

is this also the reason for no coastals?

2018: NOAA's GOES-East satellite caught a dramatic view of the Bombogenesis 'Bomb Cyclone' moving up the East Coast on the morning of January 4, 2018. The powerful nor'easter is battering coastal areas with heavy snow and strong winds, from Florida to Maine. Notice the long line of clouds stretching over a thousand miles south of the storm. The storm is drawing moisture all the way from deep in the Caribbean. wild, this was the all day blizzard with 6 hours of whiteout conditions!! 16 inches of snow here

You'll do better but this area will likely be screwed. This is a thread the needle pattern.

It checks with what I read in the Pennsylvania Weather Book, where a number of our coldest and snowiest winters during the 1800s were during the 1830s. A couple of those winters (1832-33 and 1835-36 I think?) reportedly had continuous snow cover in NYC and Philly from Thanksgiving through St Paddy's Day and 100 inches total snowfall in both cities. And this is using the old measuring technique when snowfall was only measured at the end of the event.

Maybe they are talking about wind chills, but even so.... the idea that some are thinking of replacing reporting actual temperatures with wind chill *temperatures* is mind boggling.