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Is it treatment or demographics? I have no idea and curious if anyone has seen any data one way or the other.

Interesting that MI has ~12,000 fewer cases than TN, but MI has over 6x the number of deaths. Are the doctors that much better at treating this no vs. in the beginning or has something changed with the virus? Could be the specific population in each state that has the virus is much different also. Curious to see what accounts for that large of a difference in deaths.

89.7°/81.1°/109° was this max heat index IMBY yesterday. It was an awful day to be outside. Even the breeze with was regularly gusting into the 20+ range felt hot.

Picked up 1.54" yesterday. Probably a little more fortunate than most in the area, but definitely no drought working its way in here for the time being.

July 6, 1996 - Tulsa, OK it was 111°F. I don't care if it is a dry heat or not. That is hot.

A - We don't live in China. What sort of nanny state do you want? B - You cound make the opposite argument just as easy for staying at home.

I'm closer to the lake than you so I am all too familiar with that shadow. Got 0.03" last night and that is it.

55MPH wind gust here so not too bad. Came down in buckets. My Vantage Pro 2 said 9.00"/hr at one point.

93 for a high here yesterday.

93° air temp and 74° DP here. It is definitely a hot and muggy day.

Interesting how the stretch of AN snow seems to stop at the Indiana state line and Lake Michigan.

Can't come soon enough. I am covering close to 1000 sq ft every night it gets this cold. Survived a hard freeze last week and fortunately only got down to 36 last night so it was a waste of time. Better safe than sorry though. As you said, tonight should be the last night.

Checking out of this thread. If you aren't for status quo and bow before the government, you aren't really welcome here other than the be told you are an idiot or your point doesn't matter. Every once in a while I see a glimmer of hope that maybe there can be more than one side of the debate only to see that dashed over the next 47 posts. Have a great day and I will see you when there is some weather to talk about.

Too many posts to quote over the last couple pages, but why is it the federal government's responsibility to make sure each state is looked after? What about each state's governor taking some heat for not being prepared instead of all 50 pointing to Washington? We have a central federal government, but each state is also managed by there own governmental system. Seems to me like this is the pot calling the kettle black blaming the President and Washington DC for failing when they could have seen to it that their own state was prepared instead of looking elsewhere for help. Much easier to blame someone else.

Which is why I referred to the OP in my post. @RobertSul either missed that or disregarded it.

There was a problem with yesterday's numbers so that is too low. It is * on the michigan.gov website. They had a problem with their computer program collecting and aggregating the data.

isolated? Per NHTSA drunk driving accounts for over 10,000 deaths a year. That isn't isolated. Not COVID19 levels, but tell those families drinking alcohol is ok and that death doesn't matter. Same reasoning as the OP.

I am not minimizing your point but as others have already said why not ban alcohol because of the drunk driving deaths? Why not drive 55 because it will save lives? Why not stop construction because of accidents on site that lead to death? Why not ban nearly all fatty/sugary/salty/cholesterol laden food? Why not ...? You can say this about every death that has some cause that is preventable by altering our actions? But would you want to live in that society? This is the current hot topic but we don't say this about every other thing in our society that causes a preventable death. Just offering a counter point to what you say. The deaths are horrible don't get me wrong and come back with a reply saying that.

One of my favorite places in Ohio. I went down there many times in the winter when I used to live in Ohio.

https://www.christianpost.com/voices/suicide-hotline-sees-8000-increase-due-to-covid-19.html https://abc7.com/suicide-hotline-calls-coronavirus-covid19-los-angeles/6117099/ https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/mental-health/494170-how-does-the-coronavirus-pandemic-affect-suicide https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-pandemic-creates-suicide-risk-this-could-last-years/ar-BB13kSOE There are varying numbers in these articles but all showing a large increase.

Mental health and suicide hotlines are up over 900% since this started. Where is the balance between every life we can save from COVID-19 is worth the pain versus we don't care about the other lives being lost to suicide. Somewhere there has to be a balance where some freedom is ok to help with one end of the spectrum while not getting the other end completely out of whack. The media seems to be ignoring one class of death because it isn't COVID-19 and that is all that matters.

I agree but also think she might go a little farther. Don't think it will be anywhere near a free for all but I suspect there will be limited things open up such a landscaping, nurseries/greenhouses, workers who are solo or maybe teams but not large groups. Just my thoughts. I guess we will see in a little over a week.

Quite the turn around between March and April relative to average.

What is up with all the name calling in here. Anyone who doesn't agree with the stay at home order is a moron, idiot, <insert derogatory name here>. We can disagree buy why all the name calling?

I am a little confused. Compared with your post from last 4/12 the cases per day are down a little. Nothing dramatic but down about 150/day on average. I agree deaths are ticking up.