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Yeah, there are so many nuances that make each winter unique. Perhaps November and December were flipped as compared to this year. Wasn't December 1997 cloud cover day count and precip much higher?

I never realized how warm December 1998 was to this point!! I wonder what the November temp departure was comparing this year to November 1997. Given how ridiculously warm December 1998 was to this point, I wonder how many days of cloud cover and precip there was in 1997? Perhaps that lead to a cooler 1997 December. Or our November pattern this year may have been delayed in 1997, therefore pushing the warmer departures a few days later.

Yup. I do not have the map for 1997 however that low off the west coast will pump the PAC air.

Thanks Don, it's crazy that 3 years on that list were in the late 90s. What a horrible stretch that was.

Agreed. What keeps me going is the fact that I had to go through 2 periods in the late 80s and late 90s with FOUR STRAIGHT crappy winters in a row. So, even if this year is a dud, better winters are ahead.

Thanks Don! I hope I never have to experience that winter again in my lifetime, ranks at the very bottom of my list.

I think our temps with be very similar to 97/98, albeit a degree or 2 warmer, if we keep blocking with numerous rain events capping daily high temps.

Yes there is always that knock-out punch in an El nino, however in general our area is warm and receives below average snowfall. That being said, 97/98 is probably a 1 in 50 year risk and probably happened in 1890 last time lol. Unlikely we wait till March like that year. Full disclosure I am not predicting anything, I leave that up to the METS. Just seeing similarities to 97/98 w/r/t the "one eyed pig" off the west coast.

Correct, the trough off the west coast was too persistent. I remember benchmark after benchmark track and rain. I honestly thought it was never going to snow again after that winter lol. Also it's a reminder that strong El ninos are not snowy for us.

Don posted briefly a while back about the 97/98 El nino fear. He was not predicting it at all, however what I am seeing on the ensembles looks pretty much like 97/98 w/r/t the trough off the west coast flooding the continent with Pacific air. That winter was a wall to wall warm washout, as the trough never moved, even with great blocking. History does repeat itself, and this is unfortunately a strong el nino which usually are warm and below average snowfall for our area. We went from la ninas to a strong El nino which is unfortunate, especially if we go to a strong la Nina again next winter LOL. It really really feels like when I grew up. For snowfall enthusiast, we need that feature to retrograde and it can indeed be a productive winter. Something to watch on the ensembles. Fingers crossed.

If you have a problem with me, message me directly and we can settle it. Internet muscles I see. Also, what do you mean by snowflake? Are you insinuating something? Finally, bullying is not acceptable in today's world. You are truly a sad human being. I also reported both of your posts.

Out in La La land but one can dream...

NAO moving in the wrong direction, however this is positive

One piece of the puzzle which we need and typical in an El nino.

A bit better....

If we can get the trough to retrograde a little we can hopefully shunt the maritime air a bit.

Decent cold shot close to the holidays which will be festive.

I think it makes sense. Please do not respond to my posts anymore I will be sure to block yours. The fact that you have to respond to me with "makes sense" shows your maturity, and if you are an adult I feel bad for you. Leave me alone.

Great post by Cape.

2002 was the best in my life. IMBY received 9.

Also, and last point as it's a no no to raise politics, climate change should never be uttered by any politician for either stance.

100%! Yet we see it far too often.

Thanks for this, also proves that the 90s were really warm and the 80s were not "frigid".

December 1888 had a deep RNA and South Based NAO and CPK was shut out. Not unheard of.

The RNA was way too deep and the NAO was south based. Not a favorable pattern.