CapturedNature

Something lined up tonight because it's usually not like that. It'll be interesting going through there tomorrow morning.

lol...no. Just a big open field in Somers: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9998001,-72.4687698,1206m/data=!3m1!1e3 I just wonder what made the temperature drop so quickly to the saturation point? I drive through there in the morning and occasionally I'll see fog but rarely in the evening like that. Plus the temperature usually is only 2-3° different not 6°.

I saw an interesting phenomenon driving home from work earlier. On my way home I drive through some large open area and as I was making my way across the open fields I encountered an area of dense fog and the temperature dropped as low as 17. As I left the open area the temp rose back up to between 23 and 24. I've seen that happen in the morning but I thought it was pretty cool to see that less than an hour of sunset and have the temp drop so much lower than surrounding areas so quickly without a front nearby.

I had 3" this morning and I'm hoping we get something tonight to have something measurable in the morning.

lol...one of those squares in Stafford is probably my house/woods.

You'll probably have more than I or Kevin will. It's the one thing I don't like about my location. Warm air always moves in pretty quickly. There's nothing south of me to stop it or hills around me high enough to create a bowl effect. The woods looked pretty solid this morning and I think they will hold out.

Yesterday while I was at work in Springfield, I could see that house was pushing 50° while it was in the upper 30s there. When I left at 4:30 it was still around 40° downtown but just coming up the hill on Route 5 into Longmeadow was enough to bump it up into the mid 40s. Cold likes to pool... Looks like I have 3-4" of solid cover still. Let's see what makes it out of today and if we can add to what's left. This is why I was OK with the hours of sleet while others had snow last week - a little extra staying power. It might not be enough, but it's better than nothing.

Made it to down to 1° here. Missed my first zero by 1°...oh well.

FWIW, I keep my weather record 7A to 7A so snowfall I what I have listed for 12/2 for example would have been snow that fell between 12/1 at 7A and 12/2 at 7A. So, I have an entry of 1.5" on 12/4 that fell mostly on the 3rd but after 7A so my storm total was 15", not 13.5". Sorry if I'm confusing the record. My season total is right it's just the dates might be slightly different from others.

That's why I'm OK with the 3-4" of sleet I received. That will take a lot more to melt than plain snow would.

It's winter time...time for a new banter thread.

I'd like to contribute...

Why not the opposite? A tax credit for limiting carbon use. It would provide added incentive beyond the expense of using carbon.

The enemy is not capitalism. In fact, that's where the money is that is needed to address climate change. Climate change shouldn't be a political pawn to achieve ones political goals. You're going to need the capital that capitalism generates to invest in sequestration or nuclear power. Provide enough incentive and the market will provide everything in a rapid time frame. Politicize it and you have what we currently have.

I guess the top 5 impactful events that I have witnessed would be (in no particular order): December 1992 Storm (got to see deep snow to crashing waves after years no big storms) December 1989 Cold (coldest weather I've ever seen) January 1998 Ice Storm (Most devastation and longevity I've ever witnessed) June 1, 2011 Tornado (Got to witness the aftermath first hand) January 2011 Snow (multiple storms dropped a seasons worth of snow on my house in less than a month) Honorable mentions would be the October 2011 Storm, the 1972 Ice Storm (I think that help shape my interest in weather events) and the cold months of January 1994 & February 2015. I gave the nod to December 1989 because I was at Lyndon and the elevation and northern latitude enhanced the cold for me. I don't know that I'll experience a month like that again. Lots of good memories here by all!

I've seen the same amount up here. I even picked one up on one of my game cams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogJNifqz1oI&t=283s

I guess most co-ops these days do that but when I was a co-op observer I always measured at the end of the snowfall. I believe the guy in Staffordville does that but some of his totals baffle me as too high since we are so closer. I honestly feel like his gets snow blown off the lake when that happens...lol. Your point about a homogeneous record is why I did not support the adoption of the method but for those that have been doing it for nearly 20 years should continue to do so. For me personally, I stuck with the old method for just such as reason.

That's the same argument I recall back in the 90s when this "standard" came into being. Many of us argued that it would be impossible to compare systems from the past due to different measuring standards. I, for one, started keeping records with the current standard and never adopted sweeping and measuring every 6 hours specifically so I could compare one storm with another. Likewise, I can compare with anyone else that measures at the end of snowfall. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented but that ship has long sailed and we have a mix now.

I think you're misunderstanding my questioning. The forecast was not good for the valley and hasn't been for the past several storms. I also don't think anyone is cheating if they are measuring the same way they have for 30+ years. I think that's the only way that you can compare one storm to another and one measurement to another. That's what I'm questioning so I can compare one measurement with another. The "on the ground" debate is another story for another thread.

yeah, that's what I was thinking when I saw the 2.5" amounts. They just seem low. I measured 10.2" a couple of hours ago. That 13" seems high but technically he is a little further east than I am and that band was so close it's possible. Looks like a couple more inches since then and it's snowing nicely. I wonder how much we'll pick up overnight....

I'm wondering how some of those really low totals in the valley were measured. I know they got less snow but I had a wide variety of measurements whether I measured on pavement, cement, grass, car, picnic table, truck bed or on my snowboard. My "official" spot is my snow board and that's what goes in the record but I also got much lower readings on any of the ground measurements so I'm wondering if some of those measurements reflect measurements on the ground as opposed to a board? Nice light snow now...hopefully add some more overnight.

Just under 5" here. It's probably twice that just east of me but I'll take what I can get. Been snowing nicely all day.

It affected western New England too. As you climbed west of the CT River Valley the snow picked up. I know the pike was mess just west of Westfield and Norfolk, CT had close to a foot. Even here the rain was mixed with snow for a good portion of the day. Outside of the early nature of the storm, the fact that there was also a late April event meant there was a very short window between the last snowfall and the first one.

I just found out that my brother is going to be flight from NYC to LA during the eclipse. He's wondering what side of the plane he should be on for the best view. Unfortunately because of the timing of the flight I don't think he will ever be in the totality line. When I look at the flight path, it looks like the path of totality will be north of his flight path but is looking to the north the best side to be on or is it on the south side so you could see the sun or am I wrong about that? I'm hoping the collective here can give me some advice to pass on to him. I'm attaching his flight path along with the eclipse map. Note that his flight leaves about 10AM ET and will be crossing the totality line around 10:30-11 CT I'm guessing.

BDL may have had only 1.38" but like I said, places on the eastern edge of the valley had 1" more. I posted this earlier this year but I put up a video that my brother and I shot during the storm driving from Stafford up to Union and then on to Worcester, Hull and Boston before returning. I measured around 24" in Union in the morning and when we returned there was about 30". You can also see the transition from snow to rain and the wave action in Hull.