CapturedNature

I drove through that are that was dense fog early last evening and this morning it was perfectly clear so whatever was going on clearly mixed out. The temp was pretty much in line with the whole area and there was no fog.

Something lined up tonight because it's usually not like that. It'll be interesting going through there tomorrow morning.

lol...no. Just a big open field in Somers: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9998001,-72.4687698,1206m/data=!3m1!1e3 I just wonder what made the temperature drop so quickly to the saturation point? I drive through there in the morning and occasionally I'll see fog but rarely in the evening like that. Plus the temperature usually is only 2-3° different not 6°.

I saw an interesting phenomenon driving home from work earlier. On my way home I drive through some large open area and as I was making my way across the open fields I encountered an area of dense fog and the temperature dropped as low as 17. As I left the open area the temp rose back up to between 23 and 24. I've seen that happen in the morning but I thought it was pretty cool to see that less than an hour of sunset and have the temp drop so much lower than surrounding areas so quickly without a front nearby.

I had 3" this morning and I'm hoping we get something tonight to have something measurable in the morning.

lol...one of those squares in Stafford is probably my house/woods.

You'll probably have more than I or Kevin will. It's the one thing I don't like about my location. Warm air always moves in pretty quickly. There's nothing south of me to stop it or hills around me high enough to create a bowl effect. The woods looked pretty solid this morning and I think they will hold out.

Yesterday while I was at work in Springfield, I could see that house was pushing 50° while it was in the upper 30s there. When I left at 4:30 it was still around 40° downtown but just coming up the hill on Route 5 into Longmeadow was enough to bump it up into the mid 40s. Cold likes to pool... Looks like I have 3-4" of solid cover still. Let's see what makes it out of today and if we can add to what's left. This is why I was OK with the hours of sleet while others had snow last week - a little extra staying power. It might not be enough, but it's better than nothing.

Made it to down to 1° here. Missed my first zero by 1°...oh well.

FWIW, I keep my weather record 7A to 7A so snowfall I what I have listed for 12/2 for example would have been snow that fell between 12/1 at 7A and 12/2 at 7A. So, I have an entry of 1.5" on 12/4 that fell mostly on the 3rd but after 7A so my storm total was 15", not 13.5". Sorry if I'm confusing the record. My season total is right it's just the dates might be slightly different from others.

That's why I'm OK with the 3-4" of sleet I received. That will take a lot more to melt than plain snow would.

It's winter time...time for a new banter thread.

I'd like to contribute...

Why not the opposite? A tax credit for limiting carbon use. It would provide added incentive beyond the expense of using carbon.

The enemy is not capitalism. In fact, that's where the money is that is needed to address climate change. Climate change shouldn't be a political pawn to achieve ones political goals. You're going to need the capital that capitalism generates to invest in sequestration or nuclear power. Provide enough incentive and the market will provide everything in a rapid time frame. Politicize it and you have what we currently have.

Just in time for the peak of hurricane season.

I guess the top 5 impactful events that I have witnessed would be (in no particular order): December 1992 Storm (got to see deep snow to crashing waves after years no big storms) December 1989 Cold (coldest weather I've ever seen) January 1998 Ice Storm (Most devastation and longevity I've ever witnessed) June 1, 2011 Tornado (Got to witness the aftermath first hand) January 2011 Snow (multiple storms dropped a seasons worth of snow on my house in less than a month) Honorable mentions would be the October 2011 Storm, the 1972 Ice Storm (I think that help shape my interest in weather events) and the cold months of January 1994 & February 2015. I gave the nod to December 1989 because I was at Lyndon and the elevation and northern latitude enhanced the cold for me. I don't know that I'll experience a month like that again. Lots of good memories here by all!

I respectfully disagree about people taking extremes on climate change. There's the bury your head types and then there's the water world/Massachusetts will be like the tropics in a 100 years if we don't do anything types. I see these extremes almost every day on other forums and I think it's why nothing gets done anymore. Everyone takes an extreme perspective.

I agree with the language comment. I've never understood the need for people to have to interject "colorful adjectives" in normal speech. It's a free world though...

Not for me. Gloria was way more impactful in Connecticut than Bob was. I only mentioned Bob because it is the last hurricane to make landfall in New England. There was a lot more damage here from Gloria than Bob but I did have way more rain from Bob. The thing I've never understood is the dismissive attitude people give to category 1 hurricanes or even tropical storms. I stood atop Mount Washington in 75MPH winds and the one thing I remember thinking was "So this is a category 1 hurricane?" and thinking I would never think the lessor of one again. It seems like everyone just likes to focus on the extremes whether it's weather, climate change or politics. All extreme, all the time.

Yeah, I was just thinking about that. We had 6 in the 22 years between 1938 and 1960 and a scattering until Bob in 1991 but nothing since then. It's interesting that just as the frequency of snow storms increased in 1992 we haven't had a landfalling hurricane. Is there a correlation?

I can't imagine what people would do/say if we went through another 1938-1960 stretch. There's still visible scars to trees from that storm. Walk through a mature forest and look for trees that are at least 100 years old and you'll notice a lot of them have Y's in them about half way up. A forester friend told me that was a remnant of the 38 hurricane because it snapped off the tops of so many trees. Growing up and still to this day there are old logging paths in the woods around here that were used to remove so much of the fallen timber.

I used to be one of those people that chased storms but I stopped about 20 years ago after I became a victim and a drain on local resources. I felt like crap being able to leave people behind to live through the aftermath misery. For several days while I was there and unable to leave I felt like an unnecessary drain on limited resources. I believe in personal freedom and he's welcome to do what he chooses but I couldn't live with myself just showing up and leaving. I'm glad he was able to help some folks while he was there.

I've seen the same amount up here. I even picked one up on one of my game cams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogJNifqz1oI&t=283s

I guess most co-ops these days do that but when I was a co-op observer I always measured at the end of the snowfall. I believe the guy in Staffordville does that but some of his totals baffle me as too high since we are so closer. I honestly feel like his gets snow blown off the lake when that happens...lol. Your point about a homogeneous record is why I did not support the adoption of the method but for those that have been doing it for nearly 20 years should continue to do so. For me personally, I stuck with the old method for just such as reason.