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How common are big snowstorms in NYC...charts included


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10" snowfalls have been on the rise,,,

snowfalls 10" or greater......
Year....date....amount"...
1872...12/26.......18.0"
1875...4/13.........10.0"
1876...2/3-4........11.0"
1877...1/1-2........13.0"
1879...1/15-16....13.0"

1888...3/12-14....21.0"

1896...3/2...........10.0"
1896...3/15-16....12.0"
1897...1/27-28....10.0"
1898...11/26-27..10.0"
1899...2/12-14....16.0"

1902...2/17..........10.0"
1905...1/24-25.....11.0"
1907...2/4-5.........11.0"
1908...1/23-24.....10.0"

1910...1/14-15.....10.0"
1912...12/24........11.4"
1914...3/1-2.........14.5"
1915...4/3-4.........10.2"
1916...12/15........12.7"

1920...2/4-7.........17.5"
1921...2/20..........12.5"
1925...1/2............11.5"
1926...2/3-4.........10.4"
1926...2/9-10.......12.0"

1933...2/11..........10.0"
1933...12/26........11.2"
1935...1/23-24.....13.0"

1941...3/7-8.........18.1"
1947...2/20-21.....10.7"
1947...12/26-27...26.4"
1948...12/19-20...16.0"

1956...3/18-19.....11.6"
1958...3/19-20.....11.8"
1959...12/21-22...13.7"

1960...3/3-4.........14.5"
1960...12/11-12...15.2"
1961...2/3-4.........17.4"
1964...1/12-13.....12.5"
1967...2/7............12.5"
1969...2/9-10.......15.3"

1978...1/19-20.....13.6"
1978...2/6-7.........17.7"
1979...2/19..........12.7"

1983...2/11-12.....17.6"

1993...3/13-14.....10.6"
1994...2/11..........12.8"
1995...2/4............10.8"
1996...1/7-8.........20.2"
1996...2/16-17.....10.7"

2000...12/30........12.0"
2003...2/16-17.....19.8"
2003...12/5-6.......14.0"
2004...1/28..........10.4"
2005...1/22-23.....13.8"
2006...2/11-12.....26.9"
2009...12/19-20...10.9"

2010...2/9-10.......10.0"
2010...2/25-26.....20.9"
2010...12/26-27...20.0"
2011...1/25-26.....19.0"
2013...2/8-9.........11.4"

2014...1/21..........11.5"

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1870's...5
1880's...1
1890's...5
1900's...4
1910's...5
1920's...5
1930's...3
1940's...4
1950's...3
1960's...6
1970's...3
1980's...1
1990's...5
2000's...7
2010's...6

since 2000 KNYC got 13 snowstorms 10" or more...Not counting the 9.8" this year and the 9.5"+3.0" event last February...the most by far for that amount of years...

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10" snowfalls have been on the rise,,,

snowfalls 10" or greater......

Year....date....amount"...

1872...12/26.......18.0"

1875...4/13.........10.0"

1876...2/3-4........11.0"

1877...1/1-2........13.0"

1879...1/15-16....13.0"

1888...3/12-14....21.0"

1896...3/2...........10.0"

1896...3/15-16....12.0"

1897...1/27-28....10.0"

1898...11/26-27..10.0"

1899...2/12-14....16.0"

1902...2/17..........10.0"

1905...1/24-25.....11.0"

1907...2/4-5.........11.0"

1908...1/23-24.....10.0"

1910...1/14-15.....10.0"

1912...12/24........11.4"

1914...3/1-2.........14.5"

1915...4/3-4.........10.2"

1916...12/15........12.7"

1920...2/4-7.........17.5"

1921...2/20..........12.5"

1925...1/2............11.5"

1926...2/3-4.........10.4"

1926...2/9-10.......12.0"

1933...2/11..........10.0"

1933...12/26........11.2"

1935...1/23-24.....13.0"

1941...3/7-8.........18.1"

1947...2/20-21.....10.7"

1947...12/26-27...26.4"

1948...12/19-20...16.0"

1956...3/18-19.....11.6"

1958...3/19-20.....11.8"

1959...12/21-22...13.7"

1960...3/3-4.........14.5"

1960...12/11-12...15.2"

1961...2/3-4.........17.4"

1964...1/12-13.....12.5"

1967...2/7............12.5"

1969...2/9-10.......15.3"

1978...1/19-20.....13.6"

1978...2/6-7.........17.7"

1979...2/19..........12.7"

1983...2/11-12.....17.6"

1993...3/13-14.....10.6"

1994...2/11..........12.8"

1995...2/4............10.8"

1996...1/7-8.........20.2"

1996...2/16-17.....10.7"

2000...12/30........12.0"

2003...2/16-17.....19.8"

2003...12/5-6.......14.0"

2004...1/28..........10.4"

2005...1/22-23.....13.8"

2006...2/11-12.....26.9"

2009...12/19-20...10.9"

2010...2/9-10.......10.0"

2010...2/25-26.....20.9"

2010...12/26-27...20.0"

2011...1/25-26.....19.0"

2013...2/8-9.........11.4"

2014...1/21..........11.5"

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1870's...5

1880's...1

1890's...5

1900's...4

1910's...5

1920's...5

1930's...3

1940's...4

1950's...3

1960's...6

1970's...3

1980's...1

1990's...5

2000's...7

2010's...6

since 2000 KNYC got 13 snowstorms 10" or more...Not counting the 9.8" this year and the 9.5"+3.0" event last February...the most by far for that amount of years...

I thought that 9.5 + 3.0 was one single event. I didn't realize they didn't count it.

I have to change my charts.

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Great post.....really makes us realize why we're all pretty spoiled. Last 20 years or so we've had a foot or more about every 2 years, while the average for the past 140 years is once every 4 years.....so pretty much double the number of 12" storms, more 6" storms, and I'm sure more 15"+ and 20"+ storms as well.

Obviously many old timers now talk about snow as if they experienced numerous 2 to 3 foot storms with drifts up to the roof, etc etc.....and of course a 6" storm when you're a child seems like much more and 20" means that the world is covered in snow and time has stood still, so it's understandable (plus, as we can see on those charts, clearly some older folks have seen huge storms) .....but, it makes me wonder how we'll speak of the 2000s and 2010s when it comes to snow and how it was for us, considering an average snow year is such a disappointment for many. I think our actual definition of what a "major snowstorm" is, is changing.....more so for us who actually track the storms and always want to be the jackpot. A 12" snowstorm is a big, big deal for many people.....however, for us, as we might get 12" and watch another large area get way over that (24-36"+), it becomes more of a "what could have been", and might be remembered for that. As I've posted a couple days ago, and despite poking fun at our obvious lack of snow compared to Boston, I believe that most of our areas will receive another 15-30" to add on to what we've gotten so far. This will of course put us all above average for the season (though obviously it hasn't happened yet and cannot be proven right or wrong). I wonder then, if we do get all of that additional snow, if everyone will consider this year great, good, or bad. Depends on how you see things and also how you like to accumulate your snow. Personally, though it's been frustrating to this point, pretty persistent cold with several smaller storms wish a very strong finish is a great snow year. Jackpotted with every opportunity? Obviously not. But way above average? Yeah, it would be. Really makes you think

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Rather than dirty up the model discussion threads...

 

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There have been 184 storms of 6" or more since 1870, or 1.27 per year.

There have been 37 storms of 12" or more since 1870 or 0.26 per year (1 every 4 years).

 

Let's calm down about what NYC normally sees.

 

Looks like where are getting back towards normal in the 6+, although more of those have been in the 12+ cat recently.

 

I think what a lot of us are wondering is if this could be some sort of new normal, perhaps related to climate change.  That beats when I was wondering if this is the new normal back in the 80s.

 

I am going to have a 20 year average near 40".  That was not normal in the previous 40 years of reasonably accurate climo available for LI.   Prior to about 65 years ago, there isn't really a good enough set of local records to make any definitive assessments of what average snowfall actually was.

 

Since December of 1995, we've had the following in my corner of the island:

 

39 snowfalls of 6" or more

21 snowfalls of 10" or more

20 snowfalls of 11" or more

17 snowfalls of 12" or more

7 snowfalls of 15" or more

3 snowfalls of 18" or more

2 snowfalls of 20" or more

1 snowfall of 25" or more

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they had it as one 12.5" event...I'm counting it as two...Another 6" storm not listed is 6.2" on 12/23-24/1961...2.8" on 12/23 and 3.4" on 12/24...It was mixed with sleet and rain for a time in the middle of the event...I e mailed them but it was never fixed...

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last year had six snowfalls 4" or more...these are the years with at least four snowfalls 4" or more...so far in 2014-15 KNYC has one storm 4" or more..

season............snowfalls4"+...................................Snowfall...Total 4+
1892-93.........4.0, 6.0, 5.0, 9.1, 6.0.............................49.7........5......
1893-94.........6.5, 7.0, 4.0, 8.0...................................36.1........4......
1895-96.........10.0, 5.0, 12.0, 4.5................................46.3........4......
1896-97.........5.0, 7.0, 6.0, 10.0, 8.5............................43.6........5......
1898-99.........10.0, 6.0, 4.0, 6.5, 16.0..........................55.9........5......
1902-03.........6.3, 6.5, 4.0, 9.5...................................28.7........4......
1904-05.........4.0, 6.0, 7.0, 11.0..................................48.1........4......
1906-07.........6.0, 5.0, 11.0, 6.0, 4.0, 6.0, 5.0................53.2........7......
1915-16.........6.0, 6.0, 5.3, 7.6, 4.0, 5.0.......................50.7........6......
1916-17.........12.7, 4.3, 6.7, 6.5.................................50.7........4......
1922-23.........4.0, 9.0, 7.8, 6.3, 7.3.............................60.4........5......
1933-34.........11.2, 9.8, 7.6, 9.3, 5.6...........................52.0........5......
1938-39.........8.8, 4.0, 8.8, 4.5...................................37.3........4......
1948-49.........5.3, 16.0, 4.5, 4.6, 9.4............................46.6........5......
1957-58.........8.0, 4.5, 4.5, 7.9, 4.1, 11.8......................44.7........6......
1963-64.........6.6, 12.5, 6.8, 4.9..................................44.7........4......
1977-78.........13.6, 17.7, 4.2, 5.0................................50.7........4......
1984-85.........4.8, 4.1, 4.3, 5.7...................................24.1........4.....
1993-94.........4.0, 4.5, 9.0, 12.8, 5.0............................53.4........5......
1995-96.........7.7, 20.2, 7.5, 10.7, 4.5, 4.5, 4.1...............75.6........7......
2002-03.........6.0, 5.0, 5.3, 19.8, 4.0............................49.8........5......
2003-04.........14.0, 5.8, 5.7, 10.3.................................42.6........4......
2004-05.........13.8, 5.0, 6.0, 7.7..................................41.0........4......
2009-10.........10.9, 10.0, 5.0, 20.9...............................51.4........4......
2010-11.........20.0, 9.1, 4.2, 19.0.................................60.9........4......

2013-14.........5.0, 6.4, 11.5, 8.0, 4.0, 9.5.......................57.4........6......
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seasons that had four storms of 4+".
1890's...5
1900's...3
1910's...2
1920's...1
1930's...2
1940's...1
1950's...1
1960's...1
1970's...1
1980's...1
1990's...2
2000's...3
2010's...3

some other years
1947-48........26.4, 5.4, 5.7..........................................63.2........3......
1960-61........15.2, 9.9, 17.4........................................54.7........3......
2008-09..........4.5, 4.4, 8.3..........................................27.6........3......
2000-01........12.0, 6.0, 5.7..........................................35.0........3......
1990-91..........7.2, 5.7, 8.9..........................................24.9........3......
1966-67..........7.1, 12.5, 9.8........................................51.5........3.

 

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What's crazy is according to the charts above, 5 years into this decade and NYC has already seen 11 6"+ snowfalls. This give NYC another 5 years to at least be as good as the 60's and possible give the 1890's/1900's a run for it's money.

Yeah, it's great. I hope we shatter it all, but we have to be prepared for a snow drought.

 

they had it as one 12.5" event...I'm counting it as two...Another 6" storm not listed is 6.2" on 12/23-24/1961...2.8" on 12/23 and 3.4" on 12/24...It was mixed with sleet and rain for a time in the middle of the event...I e mailed them but it was never fixed...

They don't have it there anymore though.

You should email them again, we need to make sure we keep them honest.

You've been my most valuable resource in building my spreadsheet.

 

Looks like where are getting back towards normal in the 6+, although more of those have been in the 12+ cat recently.

 

I think what a lot of us are wondering is if this could be some sort of new normal, perhaps related to climate change.  That beats when I was wondering if this is the new normal back in the 80s.

 

I am going to have a 20 year average near 40".  That was not normal in the previous 40 years of reasonably accurate climo available for LI.   Prior to about 65 years ago, there isn't really a good enough set of local records to make any definitive assessments of what average snowfall actually was.

 

Since December of 1995, we've had the following in my corner of the island:

 

39 snowfalls of 6" or more

21 snowfalls of 10" or more

20 snowfalls of 11" or more

17 snowfalls of 12" or more

7 snowfalls of 15" or more

3 snowfalls of 18" or more

2 snowfalls of 20" or more

1 snowfall of 25" or more

It's been a remarkable run. I hope it's the new normal.

 

Great post.....really makes us realize why we're all pretty spoiled. Last 20 years or so we've had a foot or more about every 2 years, while the average for the past 140 years is once every 4 years.....so pretty much double the number of 12" storms, more 6" storms, and I'm sure more 15"+ and 20"+ storms as well.

Obviously many old timers now talk about snow as if they experienced numerous 2 to 3 foot storms with drifts up to the roof, etc etc.....and of course a 6" storm when you're a child seems like much more and 20" means that the world is covered in snow and time has stood still, so it's understandable (plus, as we can see on those charts, clearly some older folks have seen huge storms) .....but, it makes me wonder how we'll speak of the 2000s and 2010s when it comes to snow and how it was for us, considering an average snow year is such a disappointment for many. I think our actual definition of what a "major snowstorm" is, is changing.....more so for us who actually track the storms and always want to be the jackpot. A 12" snowstorm is a big, big deal for many people.....however, for us, as we might get 12" and watch another large area get way over that (24-36"+), it becomes more of a "what could have been", and might be remembered for that. As I've posted a couple days ago, and despite poking fun at our obvious lack of snow compared to Boston, I believe that most of our areas will receive another 15-30" to add on to what we've gotten so far. This will of course put us all above average for the season (though obviously it hasn't happened yet and cannot be proven right or wrong). I wonder then, if we do get all of that additional snow, if everyone will consider this year great, good, or bad. Depends on how you see things and also how you like to accumulate your snow. Personally, though it's been frustrating to this point, pretty persistent cold with several smaller storms wish a very strong finish is a great snow year. Jackpotted with every opportunity? Obviously not. But way above average? Yeah, it would be. Really makes you think

Great post, man.  Really makes you wonder about the "when I was your age" crowd, LOL.

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Well then I hope global warming is real

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/science/2015/02/04/global-warming-won-prevent-massive-snowstorms-study-suggests/tJIpBkbD56rb7XjTBkZdrJ/story.html

 

Interesting article and sheds some light on why certain areas could receive more snow due to global warming, while other areas less. It seems that the areas that are cold, but not frigid, and snowy but not usually the snowiest, could definitely get bumped up to the "next level" of snow totals

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http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/science/2015/02/04/global-warming-won-prevent-massive-snowstorms-study-suggests/tJIpBkbD56rb7XjTBkZdrJ/story.html

 

Interesting article and sheds some light on why certain areas could receive more snow due to global warming, while other areas less. It seems that the areas that are cold, but not frigid, and snowy but not usually the snowiest, could definitely get bumped up to the "next level" of snow totals

IMO, his point that "heavy precipitation events have been increasing in frequency in the Northeast at an unusually fast rate when compared to other parts of the US" is important. Since the 1970s, for example, NYC has a notable rise in average annual precipitation relative to its prior historic averages. That shorter period has had more years with 50" or more precipitation than the 1869-1969 timeframe. If one looks more closely, the number of precipitation events per year (0.01" or above) is essentially the same as it was for the earlier period. Instead, the frequency of 1", 2", and 3" precipitation events has grown markedly. At this time, it is not really possible to determine how much of that change is due to natural recurring cycles and how much is due to climate change, even as the climate models suggest that the Northeast should grow wetter.

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