RyanDe680

Borderline meh for the metro

Many of Barke's 'facts' have been disproven:  https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/may/14/fact-checking-california-reopen-protest-video/

25 minutes ago, ovweather said:

What possible good reason can a person have for not wearing a mask? People shouldn’t be allowed to make their own decisions when it comes to a pandemic and wearing a mask or not. Don’t wear one then be prepared to either be fined or arrested. That’s the way it should be. I’m so sick of all this “I’m not wearing a mask because it’s my right as an American not to.” These people need to get over themselves and realize wearing a mask isn’t about YOU. It’s about those around you.

I agree with this.  During a pandemic, it should be like a seatbelt law.  

Interestingly this hasn't received much attention and is further along....

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/positive-news-astrazeneca-s-covid-19-vaccine-imminent-report

Fortunately there's more than just you in the world.

3 hours ago, Jonger said:

Who out there thinks only old people can catch it? It's mainly older people who are dying. That's not in dispute.

Deaths trail cases.  No one knows the death effect this will have with the younger crowd getting it at this point.

22 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Yes, but this strategy is completely contingent on a successful vaccine being developed in the very near future. One of which has never been created for after decades of research with various coronaviruses. The end result is virtually inevitable, just delaying it with shutdowns. Sweden realized this and went that route. The goal is obviously mitigation, containment, and treatment to help our hospitals not get overrun. We should only be shutting down if there is fear that our hospitals ICUs get full.

I’m not sure the plan was for this to happen like it is.  The country didn’t have a unified approach to this vs other countries in the EU for example.  Funny not funny but it kind of was yolo and here we are now.  There’s a lot of vaccine speculation with no concrete timeline to come of any time soon. 

3 hours ago, Sidewinder said:

 

Never in my life would I have thought that someday people could be made to believe that breathing their own CO2 on an extended basis would be considered healthy and safe. Just incredible. 

Naw I’d rather infect everyone around me if I had the virus instead of wearing a mask in a store for 20 minutes out of a 1,440 minute day. 
 

On 7/10/2020 at 2:41 PM, RyanDe680 said:

Texas avail beds down to 11,300.  Less than 975 ICU bed available....

Texas avail beds 11,726, ICU avail 977...  seems stable

54 minutes ago, Jonger said:

Shocked to see this.... I feel like one lucky SOB now. Apparently I'm in that 0.4% at the bottom. We're killing it. There really aren't many small business owners in retail food these days, that has to be the explanation for it.

 

Yeah I kind of just give up with your careless nonsense.  
 

Thankful this forum has a block feature

4 hours ago, Jonger said:

Nobody wants any deaths, but at some point we will have to choose between forcing quarantine or self-quarantine. I know it makes me sounds like a fat-cat capitalist, but how much suffering will take place if we destroy our entire way of life and plunge our society into extreme poverty? At some point that question needs an answer. It's possible that no matter what we do, this won't go away. We're now seeing flare ups in countries that had it under control previously.

You have zero statistics to back up your poverty suspicions.  Instead of posted back dated COVID charts from 3 months ago, explain how we’ve plunged into poverty.  
 

So then what’s happening to the hospital systems in Houston, parts of Florida and California are all lies?  It’s July.  The most cases hospitals see this time of the year are accidents, not viruses. 

7 hours ago, Jonger said:

I'm speaking about the fact that people in the prime of their lives are being destroyed economically so we can protect 85 year old obese smokers.

 

 

Hospitals are overwhelmed with 30-50 year olds.  The tally hasn’t shown many 85 year olds hospitalized in the last three weeks, much less your speculation if they smoke or are obese. 

9 hours ago, Jonger said:

Previously, they were dying. I'd say the difference between dead and not dead is a sign that either doctors are better at treating it or the virus isn't as strong.

I'd rather not plunge the country into a 2nd depression over this. That's just my opinion.

We weren’t in a depression. 
 

deaths trail cases.  This has been fact all along. 

On 7/9/2020 at 2:17 PM, RyanDe680 said:

Oh man.... FL available ICU beds were at 1,250 earlier in the week, down to 800 now....

Texas available hospital bed were at 12,925 earlier in the week... now at 11,500

yikes

Texas avail beds down to 11,300.  Less than 975 ICU bed available....

When does the incoming threat for fire danger take hold?

1 hour ago, mattb65 said:

Yeah, pretty bad, unfortunately it's pretty clear to me that there is a surge in deaths hitting these states, the numbers this week are all bad.

I do have hope that these states will flatten out in the coming weeks. It's sad to see this happening, this was all predicted by the health experts. I was worried about it in late April - Georgia reopened and didn't surge because people were being very cautious which created a false sense of security so people decided to cut loose and let their guards down. Surges like this threaten everything - the ability for the economy to recover, the ability for schools to successfully reopen and stay open.

How many times do we as a country need to learn the hard lessons that we need to respect the biology of this virus in order to live with it while we wait for an adequate vaccine, treatment or preventive. Dr. Fauci hit the nail on the head today when he highlighted the transmissibility as one of the major factors that sets this virus apart. The severity can be debated, I can see how some will minimize a death rate of 0.6% or wherever it ends up. But no one can deny the incredible ability this virus has to very quickly and dramatically fill up hospitals and ICUs like nothing we have ever seen in our lifetimes. 

What we need is some form of leadership.  I fully admit that I'm not a fan of Pritzker and his proposals (especially the tax increases) but he has navigated IL through this pretty well and I'd applaud him for that.  The only way out of this is if we work together as a team and make it happen.  While some areas are trending down, a lot of other areas are not, making this that much more difficult.  I know we all won't agree with what needs to be done and I can't figure out how wearing a mask for 15-20 minutes while in a store is really that bad but what other way would someone propose then?  I love the people pitching major fits about wearing a mask but offer no other solutions.  It's not hard to follow the science and follow the guidance for the greater good and not just yourself.

Oh man.... FL available ICU beds were at 1,250 earlier in the week, down to 800 now....

Texas available hospital bed were at 12,925 earlier in the week... now at 11,500

yikes

Separately, MD discussion for what looks like a potential STW eastern IA.

33 minutes ago, SchaumburgStormer said:

What was the language on the tornado warning? Forward speed of 1-2mph? 

LOL.. more like figure 8s at 2mph

6 minutes ago, fluoronium said:

CRAZY tornado in Minnesota yesterday! This is some of the most ridiculous tornado footage I've ever seen. 

 

I wouldn't have done it, but that is pretty bad ass....

9 hours ago, RogueWaves said:

There's a leaked vid of local health officials discussing a change in "case reporting" protocols. The new guidelines are including not only the person who tested positive, but anyone they were hanging out with prior to testing. If they were hanging with 5, 10, or 15 people those people are basically being counted as "presumed C-19 cases". That's why we're seeing a sudden "exponential growth" rate. Not sure how widespread this is, but it would explain a lot.

Death rate calculated (about a week old article when deaths were around 125K) per CDC's own statement of 20 million infected, ends up being basically just like the flu:

 

How many times can we go over the 'its just like the flu' discussion?

5 hours ago, A-L-E-K said:

200k by winter is optimistic 

That just means an average of 470 deaths per day until winter.  The 7-day average currently is near 600.

I dont know if you mean optimistic like we won't get there or we will, but it sure looks like it's going to happen at the rate that we are going.  

It was hot today.  Like good old fashioned sun beating on you hot. Love it.  

Looks like the state line and north is the best bet.

Booo

1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

Do you have the actual number of people hospitalized or just the available beds?  Because bed numbers can be increased. 

Both.

7/7

Available beds:  12,925

Available ICU beds:  1,148

Total bed count:  54,744