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This east shift isn't really new. Looking back over previous cycles the models really began that trend a while ago. That said I would certainly hope no one's thinking they're out of the woods on this thing down there.

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You may just be in hyperbole there but we are definitely close to any rank inside of top 10

That's actually been a concurrent deal on that ~ time range going back many runs actually... yeah, it's interesting- something more akin to mid October perhaps. I'm fairly certain snow in that part of eastern Ontario is a bit of a seasonal anomaly for early September - even at that latitude ... Let's not derail the thread - take it over to the discussion

HMON may not have been right about the timing of RI but... holy shit - this is one of the most rapid improvements in sate presentation over the course of mere hours I think I can recall - we'll see if it translates to pressure and wind.

HMON has a 3-hour intensification rate of 10 mb by 20+ knots of wind... dropping from just under 970 mb to the upper 950s with wind from 99 knots to 121. And it doesn't stop there. Another three hours and it's down to 950 mb by 130 knots! That's ah ... heh. The only problem is ... it has it doing that now - which it isn't. Interesting... I mean it may be intensifying, it's the rate though.

Let's lay down the precedence early, eh ? 150 hour 18z GFS with a full on wrap back CCB blizzard occurring eastern Ontario, replete with a 974 mb bomb ... on the same chart ( though thousands of miles away of course) there is Dorian lurking interior SE... That's pretty awesome man -

What do we know about that HMON model ? It's clearly some form or another of a meso model, but I don't have much experience with using it as a prediction tool. The 12z run took a strong Cat 4 across the northern borrows of Miami - pretty much exactly in a fashion I feared might happen yesterday when it appeared then a sharper west turn and farther south trajectory could unfold - reasoning contained... It might be notable that a lot of guidance has been edging left, too. Oper. Euro and so forth.

Sandy's modeled trajectory was scheduled to do something similar to that EPS cluster and we all know that it wound up taking the southern route.. just sayn' No analog per se, but sometimes it's hard to imagine thing and maybe that would help -

Good ... Harv and I compared notes years ago and came to the same conclusion that the best winters in either ENSO regime are non-trustworthy inconsistent outliers; we are far better off taking our chances in the aggregate which showed a bias skewed snow/cold-positive during neutral ENSO years. And by neutral we mean (+)(-) .5 SD That, combined with super set of longer termed teleconnectors flagging increasing odds for -EPO's ... that's probably the ball game. It's probably also why the Farmer's Almanac has suddenly began showing better accuracy in the last two decades because their "top secret method?" They simply started using the same shit ... not whatever leaped to suppositional guess work mind base upon the squirrel testicle method they were using before... In any case ... if anyone gives a ratz left one ..they've gone and lit up mass-media headlines with a cryo dystopia for this year. Just sayn' Too bad that's not the whole score, however. Sorry - but I am highly confident in the disruption of climate wind patterning and R-wave configuration tendencies as those changes are rooted in climate change, and expansion of the Hadely Cell into the Ferrel latitudes. I began harping about this five or so years ago, when I personally noticed these wind anomaly oddities... They seem to pervasively rule cold season base-lines in either warm or cool ENSOs... and well.. it turns out I wasn't the only one suspecting this...blah blah. But the point is, that changes the landscape a little compared to say ... 50 years ago. If were up to the climate then, we'd be golden with a nadir solar on top of the AMO/PDO cycles, on top of a neutral enso... my god. Don't know about all that mapped over big ballz Hadley disruption though - Still, seein' as GW isn't going anywhere ... I think I'd rather have the former in play - at least ya got a chance that way.. Fast flow and quick cold warm interludes and active storm tracks...

Well ... yet another school, if it's been that long and persistent, it should be climate norm fixing and the user should have grown accustomed, sans any expectations otherwise. Finally, after said user moves away to a far away land the region they've given up on and abandons returns to its previous dynamic - ...until such time as a return for a visit of course.

Meteorological summer ends in two days... whence autumn begins. Most around in this social media depot know this - just sayn' Here is the first real shot across the bow air mass ...though we've seen better; this one is deep enough. I think it fitting in an symbolic sort of way, that it is latched on to a rapidly transitioning "Dorian" - subjective as it may be ..this is when where/if summer's "back breaks"

Expansion in size is a slam dunk... In fact, I was just noticing the extraordinarily massive spacial layout in west Atlantic, N and NE of Dorian, that as modeled is setting up a truly massive low level easterly anomaly. Given what is happening along with deep layer ridge pulsation during Dorian quasi hook back west ( SW of NS ) that combination of those two factors really just creates a particularly massive region conducive to cyclogenesis spread out over the entire region off the eastern Seaboard... Sandy did something similar but this is not to be consider an analog. Expanding in size and intensify. I could see this having a tendency to generate an outer eye-wall given to this totality of events, but that's just because if the circulation grows immense that tends to happen. EWR's are not well understood... The idea of involving more of S. Florida in surge is predicated on the assumption that Dorian does indeed "synergistically" feedback with strong systems in light steering environment. Since Dorian appears slated to both destinies... I just thought it prudent to mention - but it's not actually modeled to do so. As is, a trajectory as planned put S. Florida/Miami most likely in a N freshening breeze that starts to go storm force in a NW or off-shore component, which of course is a different impact scenario altogether.

Concerned about Miami ... Here's the deal - Dorian is likely to exceed expectations for intensity guidance. I've just seen this kind of beat before...where the models don't even initialize a system beyond depression, when it reality it's nearing hurrican strength ...yet they still collectively suggest near rapid intensification is plausible despite the weak bias out of the gate ( 12z suite). It's moving up into a region that is going to be nothing but improving for TC structure/genesis. It seems the models are tapping into this latter circumstance proficiently enough, but are not correctly accessing the inertia Dorian already had established. That is troublesome... But mostly, it is the excessive thermal cline integration of ocean heat content it is moving toward, combine with superior shear - lack there off - that should have folks' attention. The reason this sticks Miami out like a sore thumb - despite the present concensus N of that latitude, is because strong/strengthening hurricanes gaining size, can synergistically enhance resistance to polarward motion because they "create their own environment." Basically what is taking place when that happens is ... the outflow ring of the cyclone begins to elevate surface pressure...as well as breaks down steering fields on the polarward size of the cyclone, and the tracks can sometimes bend back west when that happens. It may not be statistically entirely obvious that is what is happening, either, because of the surrounding synoptics are strong enough those forcing will damp the effect out - it's more like an effectiveness when other factors are relatively negligible, the cane will "moat" its self off/tend to do so.. I see Dorian moving into an environment of superior development, that is breaking down synoptically ...which might render it to a west bump out there in time. Something to think about. It's a big maybe and not a prediction... but you do have a bomb potentially hear, and one moving into temporarily induced deeper layer COL look to the troposphere, and I could see that do weird things.

Man... I'll tell yeah... sea-level rise is already becoming a management problem in Miami at times of 'fair-weather' high tides. that would be bad

looks like an eye on last couple of rad scans...

What's peculiar to me is that the entire suite of various Global numerical models did not initialize Dorian very well on the 12z guidance cycle ... yet, they all take it through robust strengthening over a 24 to 36 hour period beginning pretty much now through tomorrow night. I dunno if there's much merit to the following thinking but that "seems" sort of dire to me - as in ...this means that an even deeper/structurally evolved entity entering that same favorable domain space ... might attain a status that exceeds the models by the time we get to that D4/5 window and this is knocking on the door ...

Fwiw -the GEF -based NAM numbers have been elevating and in fact, are positive in the initialization as of last night. They are forecasting a brief dip back to neutral or perhaps modestly negative SD, before an even more robustly positive modality out toward week two. This observation of reversing pressure patterns is probably related to that - I haven't see then EPS rendition, but prognostics going back some ten days began to suggest that the annular mode may flip back then. I suggested that it might alleviate the melt rate ... slowing it down some. Heh, it may just rescue 2019 from tapping 2012 on the shoulder.

Wow, "... The NHC foreast is more aggressive than the previous one, and brings Dorian to category 3 intensity by the end of the period. This forecast very closely follows the intensity consensus, the HCCA model, and the SHIPS guidance...." Although, I have noticed a tendency by NHC to 'enhance wording' if not biasing toward more intensity when these TCs start nearing civility - probably for the better PR -wise. I mean, it's been a dearthy season of sitcom television and iPhone distractions. Hard to image after Maria and so forth that society would be complacent, but that happens. Short memories. Not to mention, these sort of ephemeral natural disasters are obscuring these days behind the growing specter of GW ... Still, they have the guidance and it's ligit - either way. That region near the Bahamas - as modeled in means from multiple sourcing - looks superb for strengthening.

Thought so too - It may be why some of the ensemble members and the actual tropical suite's shown some recent right bias in the track guidance. TPC didn't seem to comment on it as of 5am but there 11 should be out shortly -

That may be the case ... absolutely. I am an honest genuine poster that qualifies everything with confidence adjectives. As in, "suppposition/hypothesis" - honestly, I was just basing it on observations now. Perhaps V is deducing modeling - I mean duh, he says 'next two weeks' I also did wonder if there was a large K-wave event rippling through the hemisphere when I noted the dipole construction of UVM tendencies. I didn't get into it because unfortunately, folks tl;dr everything these days in lieu of instant gratification from the psychotropic addiction of media spectra, and if they are not getting overly stimulated NOW they move on. Cute ancillary aspect of high- tech that is destroying the "enjoyment" much less virtuosity of a good read - blah blah... Conceding to forces one cannot control - I just kept imagining to my self, any such event ripple passing through and the current dipole might tend to reverse? Then, residual ( because they were initially robust ) TW then time with a better Atlantic. See... KW don't absolutely mean anything. We can work with them here. ha Actually since I posted that I saw the Euro spins up a TC almost immediately leaving Africa on D 9 ... interesting or not

It's a fine analysis by a couple of mid-Century starched dry pasty robots of early era Television so concomitant with that era of American history. But man - how egregious was the sexism embedded in that? It was amusing enough when the nerd with the high-tech pointer, pants pulled up way too high around a frame that's substantially frail compared to woman of today ( raised by hormone meats no less ), had the audacity to referred to "Donna" as "she." Ooh. That pushed up a smile right there! But the hilarity kicked in when he grinds it. He actually interrupting hims self to say, "And as it - or to be more precise, I should say "she" - " ... Man, that was awesome...

By the way ... I also am wondering if we may see a more robust period of TWs squirt off western Africa over over the next two weeks at some point. Not for not, right amid the climate bell-curve anyway. However, there are some clues in play that favor that. The orientation/distribution of larger scale UVM tendencies has arrived at a dipolar negative western -central N. Atlantic, with a pervasive and coherent positive tendency over all of the African continent extending east to west along the sub-Saharan TW conduit region. There are features also embedded in that monsoonal band a bit more robustly now than prior times. Supposition/hypothesis... But my personal feeling is that ... yes, Saharan Dust/dry air has been present this year, but frankly, I've monitored that metric spanning some fifteen years and this year has not seemed appreciably worse than any other year - despite other's opinions to the contrary. Nevertheless, I am willing to nod to that mitigate as being present to some degree. What really stands out to me as causal in the dearth thus far is the lower TW frequency emerging off of Africa/in transit prior to doing so. If you mix up weak wave tendencies with SAL mitigation ( and it probably doesn't help that the QBO is statistically out of phase for greater activity this season ) that combination is more likely culpable. If we are right about a period of stronger TW ejecta off of Africa, that might give the CV region some entertainment value.

Remarkable agreement among the GFS ensemble 12-member suite provided at PSU E-Wall's web-source, that Dorian will modestly intensify through 120 hours, ending in a position abeam of midriff Florida over the western Bahamas. I haven't seen the individual EPS members but the blend is a bit more smeared comparing to the GEFS. Nevertheless, they do average a weakly bounded cyclone in that similar vicinity just E or partially eclipsing land at 120 hours. One curious note: both the EPS and the GEPs ( Canadian ensembles ) are attempting to develop what looks similar to an October 'climate low' in the mid Gulf - it's not a real Glossary expression. Anyway, the GEFs do hint of this, but it is much more coherently materialized in these other two ensemble cluster means. I'm curious why they are doing so, but have hypothesis - From late September thru early Decembers, it is not uncommon for models to attempt this sort of Gulf of Mexico vortex look. This is classic looking in that regard, the only problem is, vastly earlier than normal. Nevertheless, I suspect it wise to consider it in the same vane. The rub there is that sometimes quasi-asymmetric systems do sort of bend over initially from baroclinic instability at that time of year, in the Gulf, and then acquire warm symmetry in time. Usually up underneath an early/amplified Perennial North American Pattern ( PNAP ) construct when it does. I'm wondering if these models are over sensitive; they have been trying at least excuse imaginable on every run to suppress the mid latitude summer ... all summer long, with western heights, and structuring some sort of trough ( usually over blown) back East. It may be more than muse to consider that entity. Because the vitality and most important, reality of any such object in the Gulf at the beginning of the middle range would play a plausible role in the future of Dorian. Some of these operational versions attempt to then vaguely Donna-analog Dorian.. Heh, fun entertainment but, too many uncertainties concomitant with tropical modeling at that range, and particularly endemic to the pattern next week is uncertainty. The introduction of trough in both space and time, inducing that coastal scrape this is all new, and troughs have been tending to flatten in mid ranges --> short range all season long. Past doesn't dictate the future... What are we leaving out here ... basically .1% confidence out of 99.9% uncertainty.

Mm... No not likely. "Year round," as in 'never' gaining ice back at all? That's not likely to be a reality in anyone's lifetime. If you/we mean that N. Hemisphere summers experience transient open sea conditions; that may occur at some point. Who knows if that would be a decade. Timing such a reality would depend upon how "accelerated" the acceleration is, as per recent studies go. There will be an ice-cap-transition period where there are summers with open seas that fluctuate back to ice cover the following winters. In fact, it's entirely possible that would happen with irregularity, too - some years the summer retains a small ice-cap, and then the next year ... the summer sees it disappear again. Only to repeat either scenario. That may go on for quite a while actually, long before any kind of Paleo./eocene thermal max -related sort of redux fully takes over. Anyway, there's going to be some growing pains. These longer term changes can and do take place in shorter orders of time, and acceleration in the present climate models, as well as empirical data do send alarming signals that "shorter" may favored over longer. But, we have to remember, shorter in the context of geology is still a bit of an existential misnomer. But this is not to dissuade you It's better for the world if folks are open-minded, vigilant toward more dire plausibility, because obviously it is the dire realities that cause the extinctions - not the relative utopias.