GaWx

3 hours ago, EastonSN+ said:

Seems the difference between the GEFS dumping the trough out west as opposed to the EPS is the handling of the MJO. While the EPS is essentially in the COD, GEFS is moving to phase 6.

 
 Today’s EPS and CFS are also going to ph 6 mid Jan. BAMwx posted that phase 6 in -AAM during Jan has been very cold in the E US, with the most intense cold in the interior SE (see lower right in image just below), which to me was very counterintuitive. So, I needed to know the answer.

  Now it’s even more important to know as the move to ph 6 midmonth now has increasing model support. The following are results of my research done on Tue, which looked at GSP, a station in that coldest (pink) area, during La Niña:

Niña Year….# phase 6 days…avg anomaly

1975…3…-8 M

1976…13…-9 W-S

1989…3…+8 M

1999…3…+2 M

2000…3…-4 W

2006…6…+3 S

2008…3…+8 S

2009…6…+1 W-M

2011…12…-7 W-S

2012…19…+1 W-S

2017…2…0 W

2018…3…-2 S

2021…8…-1 M-S

2022…4…-9 W

2025…2…-5 W

W weak (mainly in or near circle), M mod., S strong

91 total days (big sample)

—————

So, 15 cases of ph 6 during Nina Jans:

3 MBN

3 BN

6 NN

1 AN

2 MAN

——————— 

- These La Nina Jan results weren’t at all what I would have expected for phase 6, one of the 3 mild Jan phases in the SE averaged out over all years:

- Though there’s not surprisingly lots of variability, GSP did average 2 BN. Before seeing BAMwx’s post I never would have expected this. However, it should also be noted that BAM’s -6 to -7 for GSP is at the same time significantly too cold. 

- Only 3 of the 15 Jan cases were AN to MAN: 1989, 2006, and 2008. These were all M to S intensity (intuitive).

- So, none of the last 8 were mild as there were 5 NN and 3 BN (2011, 2022, and 2025). These also averaged 2 BN. The weakest 3 averaged a solid cold 6 BN.

- Thus if phase 6 continues to look more likely for midmonth, it will be interesting to see whether or not the NN to cold dominance works out in the SE (and E overall by association), especially if the bulk of ph 6 turns out to be anywhere from inside the circle to near/just outside the circle.

@donsutherland1

20 minutes ago, Leesville Wx Hawk said:

Good point GaWx but we started to see signs of a developing -NAO which eventually merged with that funky GOA ridge.  The 12 Z EPS Ensemble mean gave me little hope but doesn’t jive with American or Canadian.  
 

Does anyone know how La Niña is faring?  We something to change soon so that mid month to February can be salvaged.

 Yeah, the 12Z EPS gives me hope. About all we know with decent confidence based on model consensus is that there will probably be a 4-5 day long torch (sound familiar?) mainly mid to next week. That covers Jan 6-10. After that, it’s a crap-shoot. If the 12Z EPS were to verify well, then things could be getting more interesting starting the week after next regardless of what todays EWs showed. By the way, the EW is essentially an extension of the 0Z EPS.

1 hour ago, Upstate Tiger said:

After conducting a thorough quantitative analysis of all model and teleconnections verification scores, I have concluded:

The model that predicts AN and no frozen precipitation in the SE verifies almost 100% of the time.  

 Folks should remember that the models were significantly too warm in advance of the 3 weeks starting Thanksgiving Week as well as for Dec 29th through today. So, they had been way off almost all in the too warm direction when they were off late Nov through today.
 
 They did a good job for the historic Dec torch well in advance.

 Happy New Year!
 Please post your Jan obs as well as current/recent wx occurring anywhere.

 Regardless of what the rest of Jan has in store, I’m outside enjoying another stellar day thanks to Canada!

1 hour ago, wncsnow said:

Remember my post about the Weeklies a week or so ago? 

 They still have value for guidance. Some runs/periods are better than others. At times they’ve been stellar while at other times they’ve been in the commode. Overall they’re the best that we have for the long range, which is very hard for models to forecast. 
 
 But in this case, the medium range of the Euro has been in the commode with too cold apparently! Before this, the medium range of models had been too warm for that cold 3 week period and for 12/29-1/1.

 The models did well for the Dec torch.

 @NorthHillsWxHow about this bleak that covers, next week (Jan 5-11)?

Four days ago: encouraging

Today: worse than the commode, this is in the hot-tub: this is Torch #2

1 hour ago, NorthHillsWx said:

Everyone always laughs at GEFS and GFS but has it been any worse that other models for next week? Look at the euro, 5 days ago it was honking the horn for a cold and stormy pattern in the east and everyone was excited and now it’s gone absolute torch on everyone. I’m not defending GEFS, but it never really bought that week like other modeling did even though it was wishy washy. There’s something to be said if a model suite locks in consistently to a period then pulls the rug vs one that can’t make its mind up on same period. Both suck for us, but king euro failed miserably on this period. Mid month and beyond I don’t even care about yet we can’t even get 2 weeks somewhat accurate. Signs are looking 2021-ish to me with pattern change that never happens but I’m just a lurker on pattern recognition 

The “Bleaklies” (thanks, ColdRain, for coming up with that hilarious nickname) are almost the polar opposite of last year for the SE at this time.

 Related to your mention of the Euro, one “bleak” (Jan 12-18) has gone from this encouraging run just two days ago:

To the commode today:

 On this Happy New Year’s Day, I refuse to talk at all about the Bleaklies being almost the polar opposite of last year for the SE at this time. They’re not called “The Bleaklies” for nothing. So, what they’re showing shouldn’t surprise anyone. So, I won’t talk about them. They’re not bad at all though for the NE overall with NN averaged out per the in-house maps.

 I changed my mind. I’ll talk about one bleak:

 Jan 12-18 has gone from encouraging just 2 days ago

To the commode today:

@TheClimateChanger I had as you know estimated that the MTD mean would rise to ~38.2 F as of 12/27. However, I then estimated as you also should know a 31F avg for 12/28-31 allowing the full month to end up at ~37.2. But after seeing the image below showing the MTD was very surprisingly to me still up at 38.13 as of 12/29, I now see no way that it will fall back to ~37.2. I had also said I saw ~no way that the full Dec would be warmer than the 37.75 of 1939. Now with this updated info, I can no longer say that as it looks like it will be a close call to 1939.

1 hour ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said:

I want to do a little experiment.. CPC vs Natural Gas Futures. I am so tempted to trade this on my own, but I think a series of practice scenarios played out will give me a higher confidence, instead of jumping right in. 

Since mid-August, the pattern in the East has been cool. Don't quote me, but it might have been our coldest 4.5 month period relative to average in 10+ years. I personally think the Solar Max, with aurora borealis extending south, starting in May 2024, and lasting through Fall 2025 was associated with a pattern that gave us a lot of negative 500mb height anomalies 60-90N, for the first time since a 2020-2023: a period that was always warm 500mb everywhere. I made a list of analogs that had that warm season pattern (-SLP 60-90N), and it gave me a strong -AO signal for the following cold season (data good since 2012). 

CPC forecast today is going with a cold January in the Northeast!

What's interesting is the very warm forecast for the 1st half of January, released the same time (today):

That means Jan 18-31 is projected to be very below average in the Northeast.. now the first 5 days of the month are also cold with -NAO, but it's still a pretty big difference that needs to occur for the 2nd half of the month for that monthly forecast to verify. 

Natural Gas has been falling, and the March contract at $3.159 is very cheap, and favors a more +NAO Winter (I used a $4.50 as an "even" mark.. below it is more +NAO expected, above is more -NAO expected)

The theory is, when and if it gets very cold in the 2nd half of January, will Natural Gas start rising every day, or is the forecast already baked in? I don't think it's in the market, or else the price would be higher in my opinion. I'm only talking about a 2 week period, so the difference will not be big, but let's see if the price rises, when and if it rises, in the 2nd half of January. To be continued... 

 

Hey Chuck, 

 I’d say no. It’s hard for NG to bake in an extreme that’s essentially in fantasyland/during when model skill is pretty limited. So, I feel confident that it would rise substantially in advance of the very cold should it actually start to show up in late week two of the EPS and GEFS means or even in week 3 of the EW/ext GEFS in the bulk of the E US. However, even if that were to occur, there’s the possibility that it could fall a good bit more before the extreme cold shows up and prices start to rise.

 The ensemble mean HDDs continue to drop. The 18Z GEFss lost a whopping 14 HDDs vs the 12Z! But even though HDDs keep dropping, the trajectory continues to show a sharp climb late in week 2 to NN:

Folks,
 I recommend that snowman and others not look at the Euro Weeklies today. I’d instead go outside and enjoy the fantastic Canadian air! And Happy New Year! May 2026 be dominated by more Canadian air! Keep in mind that the EW are essentially the extended 0Z EPS. The 12Z EPS trended better with the western ridge and that won’t be reflected on the EW.

39 minutes ago, John1122 said:

Saw more GAwx research that I believe showed Ph 6 in Nina Januarys averaged out to -2, but with big swings in either direction. January 1977 was something like -8 to -10 while it was in ph 6. 

Excellent succinct summary! But there’s a typo as you meant Jan of 1976 as opposed to 1977. Also, Jan of 1975 phase 6 was almost as cold. By the way, I calculated the anoms based on GSP because that was near the center of BAM map’s coldest. Other areas would vary of course. I’d still much rather have moderate to weak 8-1-2 as I said for the E US as a whole.

On 12/27/2025 at 1:40 PM, GaWx said:

 I see ~no chance for Dec ‘25 to come in warmer than Dec ‘39’s 37.7. Through the 27th (last widespread US warm day), MTD could rise to ~38.2. But 12/28-31 are progged to avg ~31. That would bring the full Dec back down to ~37.2.

Bump for @TheClimateChanger

Do you have an update of Dec through the 30th? TIA

 I realize that with today still being colder than the avg of 12/1-30 by ~4 degrees per my guess, the final Dec update will be a little colder than 12/1-30.

 The model consensus is suggesting a good chance for the Jan MJO to stay inside the circle for 20+ days. Only the following Jans since 1975 were on or inside the circle for 20+ days (note that it’s been 23 years since the last one due to the MJO avg amp increasing):

1977, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1994, 1996, 2000, 2003

 Of these 8 Jans in the E US, 1977, 1981, 1982, 1994, and 2003 were cold while 1996 and 2000 were NN to slightly BN. Only 1980 was AN and it was only modestly AN. That one had its MJO the furthest right of the eight Jans mainly on or inside the circle with none in phases 7, 8, or 1. Of its 31 days, 25 were in phases 4 or 5.
 
 So, none of the 8 were anywhere near a torch.

 Here’s the cold composite for these 8 Jans with 20+ days on or inside the circle:

 Here’s the composite for the other Jans near the endpoints and in between: MJO outside circle 12+ days

28 minutes ago, wncsnow said:

I'm becoming concerned about the cold push going west near the middle of the month. The West Atlantic Ridge is starting to pop up on globals

That is a legit concern for me, too. The forecasted -EPO/+TNH cold pattern for the central US eventually looks great for cold domination prospects for the central US, much of the Midwest, and the N NE. But the biggest risk against sustainable cold is in the SE primarily and Mid-Atlantic secondarily, where the SE ridge may be too strong if the PNA in the means doesn’t go positive. This is very difficult to forecast this far out.

 Although I don’t like the warmer model developments of recent days for week 2 in the E US, my hope is still that the PNA in the means will flip for Jan averaged out to match the 100% of -ENSO -PNA Decs since 1983-4 that went to a net +PNA for Jan. My other hope is that the 90 day -PNA bias of the GEFS/EPS/GEPS means that they’re currently off.

The GEFS AO looks better for midmonth vs yesterday fwiw.

 I’m enjoying the current cold and dry snap. I had two great walks in the Canadian air the last 2 days and expect another one today. The area got down into the high 20s for the low, not far from the 25 coldest so far. Keep in mind that as of just 10 days ago, this cold snap was nonexistent on the models! So, I consider it a bonus to enjoy.

 Thanks, snowman.

 One of the favored analogs has been 2021-2. This was the GEFS PNA forecast 4 years ago today through Jan 14, 2022: it showed the PNA turning positive, which it did but the mean wasn’t positive enough for midmonth:

To compare, here’s today’s GEFS PNA forecast, which is clearly going in the right direction at the end but still isn’t then yet a +PNA. Note the wide spread of the members, however:

 Natural gas, which usually drops when the high pop. centers of the NE US and Midwest look warmer in the 2 week forecast, is down >4%.

 The forecasted -EPO/+TNH cold pattern for the central US eventually looks great for cold domination prospects for the central US, much of the Midwest, and the N NE. But the biggest risk against sustainable cold is in the SE primarily and Mid-Atlantic secondarily, where the SE ridge may be too strong if the PNA in the means doesn’t go positive. This is very difficult to forecast this far out.

 Although I don’t like the warmer model developments of recent days for week 2 in the E US, my hope is still that the PNA in the means will flip for Jan averaged out to match the 100% of -ENSO -PNA Decs since 1983-4 that went to a net +PNA for Jan. My other hope is that the 90 day -PNA bias of the GEFS/EPS/GEPS means that they’re currently off.

The GEFS AO looks better for midmonth vs yesterday fwiw:

Yesterday:

Today:

Watch out for potential major Arctic plunges week of 1/19-26: this was released on Tue 12/30.

Exclusive Weather Updates from Vaisala/X Weather & The Weather Co.

Brad Harvey, senior operational meteorologist at Vaisala, says that the forecast for the 6-to 10-day period features much-above-normal temperatures from the West to Texas. Highs are forecast to reach the 50s in Denver, 60s-70s in Dallas, and 70s in Houston. The Midwest and East are forecast to be drier than normal thanks to rounds of high pressure migrating southward from Canada. The forecast is near normal for temperatures in the Upper Midwest and below normal in the East. Risks are mixed for the Upper Midwest, where our forecast takes the middle ground between the warmer GFS and colder ECMWF solutions. Meanwhile, warmer risks in the Rockies are associated with downslope flow, while the Great Basin could be colder under high pressure. The models have lacked consistency in both the 6-to 10-day and 11-to 15-day periods. “The GFS EN projects a –PNA pattern, while ECMWF trends toward a +PNA. Neither of these solutions are given higher favorability, with our forecast featuring a round of above normal temperatures in the Eastern Half and belows emerging late in the Midwest.” For more information, go to https://www.xweather.com/weatherdesk.

Mickey Shuman, a senior meteorologist with The Weather Company, tells us that for most of next week, the Pacific pattern will reverse, helping to drive mild Pacific air into much of western and interior North America. However, a west-based -NAO block will impede the advancement of the mild air into the East. By the 11-to 15-day period, mild Pacific and maritime Atlantic air will overspread the entirety of Canada, essentially shutting down the risk of any major cold air intrusions, such that most of the CONUS moderates and ends up on the warmer side of normal, supporting a prolonged stretch of lower-than-normal GWHDDs. That being said, an emerging +PNA signal also suggests that there won’t be a major or sustainable warm-up and that some seasonably cold air attempts to expand south and east later in the period. The bigger story is the potential pattern change for the middle to end of the month, which could lead to noteworthy cold Arctic blasts over the eastern two-thirds centered on the week of the 19-26th. For more information, go to https://www.weathercompany.com/

6 hours ago, GaWx said:

 This was released by BAMwx:

 

 Thoughts? I’m going to need to research this myself to feel comfy with BAMwx’s idea of the highly counterintuitive idea of a very cold E US on average during La Niña (-AAM) Jan phase 6 periods. They’re saying this probably because GEFS is forecasting phase 6 going into mid-Jan as per my earlier MJO forecast post. I can do the analysis but it will take time. I’m planning to look at actual temp anoms for a city like ATL, Chat., Nashville, or GSP that’s in the heart of the coldest (pink) for all phase 6 days during Jan since 1975. Actually anyone can do it but one needs lots of time to do this.

In the meantime, I’ll continue to root for weak to moderate 8-1-2 over 6 or even 7.

@donsutherland1@bluewave

I did the analysis of the 15 Jans with  phase 6 during La Niña (1975-2025)

Year….# phase 6 days…avg anomaly

1975…3…-8

1976…13…-9

1989…3…+8

1999…3…+2

2000…3…-4

2006…6…+3

2008…3…+8

2009…6…+1

2011…12…-7

2012…19…+1

2017…2…0

2018…3…-2

2021…8…-1

2022…4…-9

2025…2…-5

—————
91 total days that averaged ~-2 

3 MBN

3 BN

6 NN

1 AN

2 MAN

 BAMwx said that the phase 6 MJO/-AAM analogs had this at ~-6 to -7. So, I believe based on the above analysis that this is a good bit overdone and should be ~-2. Granted, it came in cool on average with the -2 anomaly, which to me is admittedly a bit counterintuitive. And 1975, 1976, 2011, and 2022 came in quite cold during their Jan phase 6 days showing it would be doable. But one can see that only 6 of the 15 (40%) Jans during phase 6 were in BAMwx’s cold vicinity.

 So, I’d still much rather it go 8-1-2.

 Any comments?

@donsutherland1@bluewave

17 minutes ago, Terpeast said:

It’s a statistics term that doesn’t mean what the layperson thinks it does. In statistics, significance on a correlation plot doesn’t necessarily mean the relationship between two variables is strong or important. A significance of <5% means a p-value of <0.05 (o >95% confidence level), not that the correlation is strong. Two different things.

Thanks for clarifying for us. My bad for misunderstanding what they meant by “0-2.5% significance”. So, it sounds like they’re saying that the chance that the warmth in the E US is due to randomness is only 2.5% or lower. Do I have that right? That would make perfect sense and sort of jibes with @cny riderand my original thinking.

6 minutes ago, cny rider said:

Perhaps I'm reading this wrong but the chart with T composites for the different MJO phases seems to suggest there is zero significance to phase 6 regarding temperature for the eastern US.

Am I interpreting it correctly to mean it has no prognostic significance for DJF temperatures in the east?

 

Actually, I think it’s the opposite because the strongest warm anomalies are in the E US though admittedly I don’t know why it shows that as “0-2.5% significance”. That doesn’t make any sense as it should be the opposite!

23 minutes ago, Leesville Wx Hawk said:

Cold without snow imho sucks.   I know some of you like it so I get it but just enjoy the milder conditions thru Jan 14 th.  After that, we can probably have something to track.

 I love the SE brand of cold. I’ve had more than enough mild after 7 days straight of torchy and sweaty 73-80. Thank goodness a return to a long torch isn’t in the forecast. I’m hoping for mainly BN to NN with low dewpoints (sub-45 is best) til further notice! Highs of 65 or lower other than a few low 70s scattered in and lows mainly in the 30s-40s. This is best for walking.

 This was released by BAMwx:

 Thoughts? I’m going to need to research this myself to feel comfy with BAMwx’s idea of the highly counterintuitive idea of a very cold E US on average during La Niña (-AAM) Jan phase 6 periods. They’re saying this probably because GEFS is forecasting phase 6 going into mid-Jan as per my earlier MJO forecast post. I can do the analysis but it will take time. I’m planning to look at actual temp anoms for a city like ATL, Chat., Nashville, or GSP that’s in the heart of the coldest (pink) for all phase 6 days during Jan since 1975. Actually anyone can do it but one needs lots of time to do this.

In the meantime, I’ll continue to root for weak to moderate 8-1-2 over 6 or even 7.

@donsutherland1@bluewave

 I’m calculating that the Dec NAO will come in near -1, easily the most negative Dec since 2010. This is the first moderate to strong Dec -NAO during active Dec sunspots since 2002, when sunspots were 135. I’m estimating Dec of 2025 SSN to be 120.