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Definitely good trends here. If the Pac is gonna be taking its time getting its act together, we can try the Atlantic. With the QBO negative and the SSW, a strong NAO is possible and even likely. Keep in mind that -NAOs are often not forecast well in advance. They can upend LR modeling in a New York minute.

Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Morristown TN 154 PM EST Sat Dec 13 2025 ...New DISCUSSION, AVIATION... .KEY MESSAGES... Updated at 1236 PM EST Sat Dec 13 2025 - Light snow accumulations expected across the high terrain of East Tennessee and southwest Virginia overnight into Sunday morning. - Bitter cold will surge into the area for Sunday through Monday morning. Please see the Cold Weather Advisories for additional details. - Warming trend begins Tuesday with above normal temperatures by mid to late week. Conditions will be dry during this time. && .DISCUSSION... Issued at 1236 PM EST Sat Dec 13 2025 A broad upper level trough remains in place over much of the central and eastern CONUS. Shortwave energy translating through the synoptic feature tonight into Sunday will sharpen the troughing as a surface front progresses through the region. Some light ra/sn will occur during the overnight hours as this energy translates through the central and southern Appalachians, however, the greatest probabilities for light snow accumulation will be limited to higher terrain of the East Tennessee mountains and southwest Virginia. Overall, moisture in the DGZ is lacking and better northwest flow does not initiate until the bulk of the moisture is departing the region. Will cover this with an SPS for now, ending it at midnight to allow for the next forecast desk to make any additional considerations. The main concerns will be well below normal temperatures advecting into the region as winds veer NNWly and become gusty behind frontal passage. Temperatures around 20 degrees below normal are largely expected across the region Sunday into Sunday night. A Cold Weather Advisory has been issued for the Cumberland Plateau, southwest Virginia, and our East Tennessee mountain zones starting around sunrise tomorrow morning. The gusty winds and well below normal temperatures will result in wind chill values around zero, to as low as 10 below zero in the highest terrain of the mountains. By late Sunday afternoon, the remainder of the valley locations are introduced to the Advisory as cold air continues to filter into the region. Overnight lows in the low teens to single digits will be widespread. Many valley locations will see wind chills in the single digits to near zero. Cold Weather Advisory products will come to an end shortly after daybreak Monday, when a gradual warming trend is expected into the mid-week as the anomalous troughing ejects northeast and H5 heights slowly recover. For Wednesday night through Friday, the main storm track will be across the northern third of the nation. The fast but more zonal flow will quickly move a series of short-waves with associated frontal boundaries moving across the region. Ensemble cluster analysis shows differences in timing of systems but overall increasing chances of precipitation are expected towards the latter half of the week.

The CFS forecast has been a lot different than any other MJO forecast. Is it an outlier, but also correct?

I really hate having to dig through MJO data - yuck. Anyway, I read the MJO report from the 8th by CPC. So, I think I know how to read the following map. The orange is suppressed convection. Now, it is important to remember there is almost always convection at this time of year over the MC, and I think that is a mistake some(not in this forum!) are making. You can have convection, but it be suppressed IMHO. That simply means less than the norm. I don't "think" phase 8 and phase 5 have a one-size-fits all scale for convection. I would guess the MC has more convection, ie it could still have convection but less than the norm. The enhanced(more than normal) convection is blue...and that is phase 8. It isn't moving. In fact, you can see some convection firing in east Africa which is 1-2. What I want to know on the CHI plot is which color is enhanced and which is suppressed. I need to get that straightened out so that I can compare the two. @jaxjagman

I think modeling has been suffering from really bad feedback(infinite loops). The other thing is that our cold source this season is insanely cold. We have seen years where 500 maps don't match the surface, and this might be one of them again.

The CPC MJO plots, and this is not meant to be contentious, are in phase 8(has never left). They are parked there. Something is gonna have to give...either warm modeling or incorrect/correct MJO plots. Please answer --> Someone remind me...the green is the MJO convection, right? If so, mid Jan could be freaking cold. If green is suppressed convection....

The warm-up has been pushed back past the 20th as most models now see a cold front(another strong one) around the then. Will there be another prior to Christmas and after the 20th? Maybe. This pattern will have some anomalous warm days, but will also have some anomalous cold days. It may average out warmer, but that is not a full on torch on deterministic runs. It seems like each suite is wiping out more warmth. If it were the other way around and I was hoping for a flip to cold...I might be questioning whether it could hold on.....

I really think it has been a while since we have had a cold source like this. Models/people are trying to adjust.

I don't have a lot of time this morning. A trend worth watching...overnight and morning deterministic runs (CMC, Canadian para, 6z AIFS, and 0z Euro) continue to erode the warmup. That doesn't mean we won't see warm air masses, but go look for yourself. They have, even the gfs, found the Dec 20th cold front. This really looks like more of a back-and-forth pattern where warmth surges, cold erodes it quickly due to the cold source, and wash/rinse/repeat. Ensembles aren't there yet, but at this range...they will wash out any trends.

The 18z AIFS is one big HL block at the end of its run. The Euro Weeklies control had a ton of blocking at the end of its run. That sure looks like the fingerprints of an SSW.

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Well, it's Friday. Here is a bonus...Take a look at the run-to-run change when the slp (spinning endlessly off of Cali) doesn't feed back. Then take a look at the actually 500 map. There is the Alaska block, and the same persistent pattern(hard to break) that we have seen for a few weeks. The PNA flips positive. Should be a good run the rest of the way here in fantasy land.

I think most of us are not used to having a decent cold air source. 500 maps can get wonky and sometimes are not represent the surface w/ these. When that happens, it is really important to look at surface pressure. The mechanism(on that run) is in place to send the TPV south. It just got hung up. Still, that is a good run at this range. Cheers. Maybe I will come back for 0z.

That is just a timing issue or that is a huge winter storm. As is, it is CAD city and Virginia gets hammered. The surface high slides a little bit too far ahead. If this were to get over the top, slider city. Very, very close. And just amazing given the torch that has been shown for days for Christmas. This is the GFS' second run w/ Christmas cold. Let's see if it can hold and get this inside of ten days.

If there was no potential feedback over the PNW, all of it would have come out. Oh so close.

Give me this, and we ride at dawn...

18z suite commentary...I will just update this post. 18z GFS: At 162, it looks like it is about to unload some cold air into the Lower 48. The trough in the PNW is less, and the BN heights over northern Canada look to be rotating southward. At 183, this looks like it is gonna send it all???

This is probably a little bit over done, but wow. The 18z GFS puts down 2-3" on Sunday for TRI and the foothills. I would not be surprised to see more areas which see at least some snow in the air - maybe not even seen on radar.

Afternoon disco from MRX... 922 FXUS64 KMRX 121734 AFDMRX Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Morristown TN 1234 PM EST Fri Dec 12 2025 ...New DISCUSSION, AVIATION... .KEY MESSAGES... Updated at 1232 PM EST Fri Dec 12 2025 - Light snow accumulations possible mainly in the mountains Saturday night into Sunday. - Bitter cold will surge into the area for Sunday into Monday. - Warming trend begins Tuesday. && .DISCUSSION... Issued at 1232 PM EST Fri Dec 12 2025 Tonight into Saturday we will be under the influence of surface high pressure, and high temperatures will be near to slightly above normal for this time of year on Saturday. The brief warmup will quickly be forgotten as a strong cold front surges through our area Saturday night ushering in an arctic air mass for Sunday into Monday. The front will have little moisture to work with, but we will likely see some showers quickly changing over to snow showers and flurries Saturday night as the front moves through, with snow showers and flurries lingering into Sunday especially over the normally favored higher elevation areas as the northwest flow and cold advection continues. Right now, it appears any snow accumulations will be most likely over the higher elevations of the E TN mountains and SW VA as is typical in these scenarios. Current ensemble data suggests a very low chance (around 10-30%) of exceeding one inch of snow even in these favored areas, but think this is underdone at this point and as more hi-res guidance is incorporated these probabilities will likely increase. Even so, any snow accumulations are expected to be light. The bigger story for most folks will be the cold. High temperatures Sunday daytime temperatures will generally be near or below freezing even in valley areas, and the wind will make it feel even colder. Lows Sunday night will be in the single digits and teens, and while it currently appears winds will be on the decline during Sunday night which will suppress what could be even worse wind chills, still wind chill values in the single digits will be common in the valleys with below zero values for the higher mountains at times Sunday night into Monday morning. It is still unclear how much if any of the area will dip into cold weather advisory territory Sunday night into early Monday, but it looks close enough to warrant continued inclusion in the HWO for now. The center of surface high pressure will eventually shift to our east by Tuesday allowing for a gradual warmup to begin, and temperatures will likely be above normal by Thursday. Both Tuesday and Wednesday will be dry, but moisture will begin to increase later in the week. Models are still in poor agreement on exactly when the next chance for precipitation will arrive, but current ensemble data supports having chances for rain back in the forecast by Thursday.

MRX graphic from social media. Feel free to post your local.

Yeah, it's just December 11th. Today's Euro Weeklies control flips the pattern back during the second week of January. IF we can pull that off, we have cold during the coldest weeks of the year. The warm solutions(and they are WARM) in ensembles are skewing the mean. For example, there might 14/25 members which are BN with temps, but the other 11 are raging warm. The mean would be well AN, but the median might be cold. I have always been taught that reality subtracts (as we get closer) the less likely members, and the more likely members are left. Do I think we see some warm-ups this winter? Absolutely, and models are honking at some chinook warmups Between Dec 20th and Jan 8th. That is a pretty normal time for a thaw. Nina winters really like to pull the trough back West for about 2/3 of winter, but the 1/3 we get can often be good. I don't see a thing which surprises me at this point. That said, I am not sweating AN temps when we have very cold temps on the way Sunday and Monday. I truly need about 7-10 days to warm-up. The cold in NE TN has been pretty relentless.

Two different models, and BIG differences for our back yards as a result. The 12z GFS has a cold front on Christmas Eve. The 12z Euro...not so much. The difference? The Euro has a much deeper area of BN heights in the eastern Pac (which originated on the NA continent...I guess that could happen but I am no holding my breath). Conversely, the GFS slides an area of BN heights over the GL(versus dumping it all into the Pac), and a strong cold front results over our region. Look at the difference in the ridge over NA. Below is a nearer term difference. This time the 12z Euro has a cold front over the East on Dec 20th. The AIFS, CMC, and ICON all have this. The GFS is the outlier. The ridge and trough locations are exactly the opposite next Friday. The GFS somehow loses energy heading East. The results are polar opposites. All of this is to say that small differences over the eastern Pacific are having huge downstream impacts. In some cases, we are seeing 50-60 degree swings in modeling. And I feel like I have typed that before...maybe later November? I do think we see some Chinook winds. That seems almost inescapable as SLPs transit the Rockies. But cold air "should" cave behind the low as it passes. Our advantage this years is that big green blob in northern Canada which recent climo had as AN heights - ie. we have a cold air source. I also think ensembles are washing things out due to the means. IF(stress) we are seeing feedback which is amping ridges in the east too much, then the average temp of all members is going to be very skewed. Things get washed out. IMO, a very back and forth, amplified pattern "could" be coming up as an alternative to the torch. If we can swing a trough through on the 20th and on Christmas Eve, that is tolerable?

Same feedback error IMHO as ~ three weeks ago. Two different models - still trying to figure out why there is so much feedback over the West during the past month. Here is the Euro at 264. That mid-continent ridge doesn't get pumped without that area of BN heights which has tracked from Calgary into the Pacific (yes, you read that correctly). Here are the two timeframes....

Maybe I am wrong, I thought you all have had several snowstorms this decade. We have had very few in NE TN. I thought I rememberedr tracking several with you all. Were those storms west of Nashville? Not trying to be smart...I thought Nashville had some decent snows. I could be misremembering.

Essentially the pattern is this at 12z. A slp slides into the NW(just ignore the runs where it stalls, reforms, slides to the southwest in perpetuity, etc). When that strong lp slides across the Rockies, the counter-clockwise rotation forces a strong chinook which races eastward. As the slp slides into the Plains, it drags extremely cold air behind it. That cold then slides eastward. Wash, rinse, repeat. If the SLP stalls over the NW(likely feedback), then it pumps a crazy ridge in the east. Ensembles are washing this pattern out. Now, I fully admit the SER could out-duel the incoming cold. But the corrections at 12z seem to infer a very back-and-forth pattern which would feature NW flow snow, severe, record warmth, and possible record cold. Wild West. And really, it is not a SER which were are fighting...it is a chinook on steroids. I think when the ridge in the East is anomalous, you will find a feedback issue off the West Coast. It isn't quite the Baja low feedback issue, but it is in the same part of the world w/ the same result.