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Cross-country and Telemark equipment looks similar and are often confused as being the same. In the Alps the locals would often say "kook mal dar its langlauf skifaher" (look, there is a cross-country skier - because telemark is not very popular in the Alps, but rules in Scandinavia). The equipment is very different, especially the skis. Cross country skis typically have scales on the bottom and a double camber and no metal edge, (skating skis are different). Telemark skis are narrower than downhill/skis (much narrower than carving skis) and have metal edges. Can't use telemark skis to push forward like you can with cross-country skis as there's no scales to grip the snow. However, you can put removable skins on the bottom of telemark skis and use the one-way grip of the skins to climb uphill off-piste to go backcountry. Telemark skis are also much thinner in cross-section than alpine/downhill skis and flex much more. As a result, it's more difficult to get a good edge on hard pack with telemark skis; which is compounded by the binding only being on the front of the boot. Compared to alpine skis with an essentially rigid core around and in between the front and back bindings, you get about half the useful edge with telemark skis. An added plus (for me) is the comfort of telemark boots. My telemark boots are leather with a Vibram sole. They are very comfortable to walk in - almost as comfortable as hiking boots. You can put crampons on them and walk/hike/climb up very steep terrain and ice, take off the crampons and then ski down (hopefully on snow and not the same ice you just climbed up).

Thanks for the info. I've skied Wisp, White Tail and 7-Springs - and heard of Cannan, Davis and the others you mentioned. Just not into cross-country skiing. Skied the Springs a LOT years ago and had a big crew of telemark friends there. I haven't used alpine gear since 1990 when I converted over to telemark/free heal while living in Germany. Prefer extreme steep stuff with bumps - hard to find around here. I've got beacons, probe poles etc and did a lot of off-piste excursions in the Alps where you can go anywhere you want (unlike out west where they punch your ticket and/or arrest you for going off-piste). But, I'm getting older too and tele skis are hard on the knees, but too much fun compared to alpine gear. None the less, age may force me to return to the hard shell boot and fat skis at some point. Thanks again

How is Snowshoe? Never skied it be before. I telemark ski, or used to. Haven't skied for a few years and want to get back into it. Always heard Snowshoe has about a 1500' drop, but Google Earth only shows about half that. One advantage they have is altitude, but if they only have 7-800 feet of vertical, is it worth the drive? I'm spoiled having spent most of my ski days in the Alps (incredible vertical) or in Japan (fantastic snow), but have always been intrigued by Snowshoe. How long does it take you to driver there? Do you go 81 to Stauton and then west via SR-250? Thanks

That's right over our old house in W-Spfld at Rolling and Old Keene Mill... Maybe we should move back there from Vienna???

Only those that don't like snow...

Yea - that scares me. I'm right a the sw tip of the hole. Hope for everyone's sake who lives in that hole the transfer takes place in a better way that avoids any holes ...

Spectacular lights and great pics! Know what you mean about waiting for snow to see the lights... Just came in from take a few pics too. While we only got 7" here NW of Vienna, the way it stuck to everything is amazing, especially considering the wind we had this morning. Every piece of wire on our neighbor's fence is white, every branch on the trees, it's just ideal. Hope everyone was able to get something today and have time to enjoy it.

Lots of lightning in eastern NC. Very juicy system! (obviously)

Several pops that sounded like transformers tripping. Lights didn't flicker though. Could be a muted thunder. +sn atm

Down to 31 here. Lawyers Road NW of Vienna is snow covered with the slush starting to freeze. Seems they didn't brine here. have sn and occasional +sn. Congratulations to all!

light rain with some pingers mixed in. 39/36. Time for a few hours sleep until....

43/36 and getting breezy...

Just came in from working outside most of the afternoon. About 1800 a breeze came through with a noticeable drop in temp. Asphalt started drying out almost immediately for the first time today. Temp has dropped about 10F in 90 mins and the dp is noticeably drier, as expected (dp down to 47 here).

Thank you.... Haha - spot on about retreating to the dry cab, that is heated too! The Gravelys do their thing very well. The Pow Pow Pow of the older Gravely with the blade prompts mothers to take their kids in off the street. That ole low rpm engine uses the same piston, oil filter and starter as my 91 Silverado small block. The Gravely with the blower has a 12hp Kohler - smooth as silk. Will blow snow 60 feet. However, as you say, after about an hour of wrestling with either Gravely I'm ready to sit in the heated cab with some hot chocolate. Built the cab myself. Couldn't see spending $4500 for a commercial cab. Sure hope we get something worthwhile tomorrow. Otherwise, it's going to be like Lucy pulling the football away from Chuck... again!

Moved this hear so as to not clog up the main thread.... That's an interesting contraption you have there. Is it 4 wheels or are there more axles? Not familiar with a Muck Truck. Guess it is for concrete? And it's electric? Attached are a couple of pics of our snow removal arsenal. Our driveway is 450 feet long. Plow ours, many of our neighbors, about a 1/4 mile of street and 1 mile of sidewalk. The Kubota has largely replaced the old Gravelys. But the Gravelys still have their place. Nice garage btw. How do you like the new NSX? Buddy of mine had a couple of the Gen I NSX. One had lot of mods and ran low 10's in the 1/4.

Sterling just expanded the WWW to include Loudon CO all of MoCo on up I-95 to BalCo

Would guess Wes is collaborating with Jason S. on something for CWG. If today's developments are still real in the morning, CWG will be all over this.

Was thinking the same thing. Wonder if the Nov 1987 surprise event the shellacked portions of the area would have shown similar last minute characteristics if the modeling then was on par with today's computational models?

Yup - it's a bit disappointing to see the shift in posting dynamics over the years as some of the most worthy posters moved to the shadows or even stop posting entirely. I've been here since almost day one and was on Eastern before that going back to 97. My limited number of posts belies how long I've been here as I humbly endeavor to not clog the mainline threads with nonsense. My best warble is nowhere near as sophisticated as some others like yourself, PSU, CAPE, Mattie, Randy, Wes and Mr Bob Chill (as a few examples). Some of the newer members could learn more by posting less. The LR threads are not about quantity, it's about quality - or should be. Since the big one in 2016 there hasn't been much to talk about and it's depressing for snow lowers. We occasionally get lucky around here with isolated events and the rare alignment of factors like 09/10. But as a norm, if we're in a situation where everything has to line up perfectly to win, something typically falls off the table so we lose. That's just how it goes in the MA region. I love snow just as much as anyone, but have long come to understand the reality of our climate and our chances.

PSU, The part in bold echos with an interview I had with a pro Met back in Ohio in 80 when I was trying to decide whether to go to Case Western and transfer to PSU for Met School. (I didn't). Remember vividly him saying without a STJ in the game to provide the moisture tap into the GOM and/or an ingredient for a phase, it is difficult to get a major snow in the eastern third of the nation from Ohio S and Eastward. Realize Ohio isn't the Mid Atlantic, but where we lived ivo Dayton we were just far enough south for the 40N "natural boundary" to be a major player in our weather. Same for the M-D for most of us around here.

If you are talking about the one circa 15 Nov in 1987, I remember it well... Was a tremendous surprise. Brought the DC commute to its knees...

Snow in igpa atinla sia nowsa At least that's how we did it in Ohio igpa atinla. e.g. Take the first letter, put it at the end, and add an "a". Spoke it fluently w/o even thinking much when a youngster. Even taught some German friends Ermanga igpa atinla. It twas far easier to speak fluently after several rounds of good Pils...

PSU - just sent you an email. Thanks for arranging this. Great idea.