My final point only because I don't really want to inhibit anyone from doing what they love to do....it's not about last night it is a cumulative thing. I'm only expressing my feelings about it and I certainly don't speak for anyone else. Your analysis of the runs psu are spot on...bad news or good news it is what it is. I've gotten to 20" with a bad news winter so yeah maybe my posts are jaded I get that. Like I said just be you...maybe I just needed to get my opinion off of my chest. I'm going to get coffee and a new pair of running shoes. I hope everyone has a wonderful day...see ya in the dumpster later....I promise not to bring any more matches. I apologize for cluttering the main thread. Mods move or delete as you see fit. Hugs and kisses to all