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I'm sure there will be difficulties with distribution like cold storage but they'll figure it out. You were so sure they wouldn't create one in the first place.

No I mean in general though. Your whole capitalism communism argument. Some of the vaccine production was heavily bolstered by govt monies (US with Moderna and the UK with AZN/Oxford).

Governments all over the world have helped fund the vaccine effort. Equitable distribution was kinda part of the deal. This was not a wholly capitalistic endeavor. Im pretty sure that many govts made a pre-purchase of the Pfizer/bioNTech vaccine candidate, including Canada with 20 million doses.

This is a global effort. How's your no vaccine call looking?

Pfizer/BioNtech is a global company that wasnt funded through operation warp speed. The US govt bought a decent amount of initial doses to immunize first responders. The US doesn't have carte blanch on the vaccine and why would anyone think the us should get all its people vaccinated before other places?

Read the article.

Yikes lol

Lol no. It's Derek Lowe, PhD

A bit more from the Red Sox pitcher.

Its a risk calculation at its most basic. I am more likely to get serious complications or die from an authorized vaccine or from covid over the next year or two?

Indeed

I'm glad the infrastructure is in place but this vaccine is not part of operation warp speed. Thats a fact. Derek lowe is a scientist and blogs about vaccines and therapeutics often. That's why I posted it.

The approval process is not exactly normal given the pandemic. This will probably go through EUA like the anthrax vaccine. But that's because we don't have like a year to wait for the longest term efficacy and safety data. We will have the efficacy/safety we have now to base the EUA on. Full approval will likely wait until well into next year.

Theyre not approving the vaccine based on a Pfizer press release.

We haven't seen the data yet. This was a press release.

Yes. And as far as I know the primary end point was disease prevention...not infection prevention.

It doesn't make sense imo for Pfizer to greatly exaggerate the efficacy data because they are going to be going in front of the vaccine advisory board and the fda very soon. Independent scientists and the public will be able to see the data and make an objective decision for an EUA.

For health young people like yourself? Idk maybe late spring into early fall?

True, but I don't believe there was much in the way of scientific studies backing their use.

Agreed on the test itself. I'm making a larger point their role as the preeminent public health organization in the county. They were neutered in that role since March by the administration. It is my opinion that Fauci said no masks early on because we didn't understand how much asymptomatic transmission there was at the time and that the data on the effectiveness of public masking was quite flimsy at the time. That it isn't exactly a flip flop since what we didn't understand at the time that public masking was effective. Since, there have been some, albeit not perfect studies, that have shown some effectiveness. They aren't the golden goose, but they should be warn and used as part of an overall public health strategy. I just don't think what Fauci said in March matters that much about what is going on now. The anti-masking stuff is political theater. It's not genuine scientific confusion.

The CDC never had the ability to make up for the test failure early on because the administration wouldn't let them to take the lead on the pandemic. Public health is what they do, they are supposed to be in charge in all of this. The HHS put political pressure on them often and did political review of scientific literature. Fauci has been serving this country for 50 freaking years. The right hates him. They have done everything to make it political. He's said to wear mask 1000s of times after the initial stuff in March. The anti-mask rhetoric is not about what fauci said in March. It's just another political tool to justify being anti-mask. This sounds a lot like the "scientists are the problem" that couldn't be father from the truth.

There's 61k ballots outstanding in counties that lean much more democratic than the state. It will be close, but I agree, i think Biden takes it. There will almost certainly be a recount there.