powderfreak

29/25 at SLK, imagine that in your backyard on September 18th.

My wife pretty much gave it up, harvested everything and isn't covering up. It does look like it'll stay warm for quite a while after this, so if plants can make it through the next 3 nights covered, they can still be enjoyed for a while later. At this rate we'll have frost by midnight.

Still a lot of green heading towards yellow. Very early look, two more weeks we should be red.

Just dropped 10F in an hour... 39F now. It even smells cold outside, ha.

That sounds about a climo favorable time for first snows... like the old joke, we just need to wait for a poster to leave the area on a trip and it’s sure to snow.

45/32 at 7:30pm... here comes autumn. Edit: 43/32 less than 10 min later. Dropping fast.

Do you plan to go back there this fall? Any trips planned? Im just trying to figure out when the first snow will come in NNE.

55/30 here, pretty similar. Chilly out here walking the dog on the loop despite the sun. Once these winds die down, these fields will turn into the surface of the moon the next 3 nights.

Dews below freezing... the only thing that’ll save us tonight is if the wind stays up a bit. Otherwise it is crystal clear, dry, and cold air mass.

My garden (who am I kidding, it’s my wife’s garden) looks pretty rough from the mid-week frost, but a hard freeze should finish ‘er right off.

Yeah, that high pressure is perfect on Sunday for back-to-back mornings. We already had a pretty solid frost at 32F earlier this week, but any surviving vegetation should see it's growing season end in a hurry this weekend. 12z MET is 31/27/28 for the 3 mornings here. MAV showing 30/29/30.

Hopefully we get some more warm days... Thursday was awesome to have the windows and sliders open.

Yeah Sunday morning looks like widespread near to below freezing for a large area of NNE. Frosty pretty far south too.

Here comes the CAA. In the shade at the top of the Gondola. Staff in hats, gloves and jackets. Taking turns warming up in the control room. Winter temps moving in. It’s tough to just get thrown into winter for 8 hours in September for the lift ops crew, body not used to it. They’ll be sub-freezing up there this weekend and very cold.

Real first world problems haha.

Ahh last May was a winter month.... until the NNE spots set all time record highs in mid-90s lol. Good memories.

A chill is in the air. It would be something to see the cold spots hit the teens on Sunday morning. Saturday night will be the coldest night over the next week with all locations dropping near or below the freezing mark. Given clear skies, light winds and 850 mb temperatures around -3 to -4 degrees C, we will likely see frost across the entire North Country. The biggest question mark Saturday night will be just how cold our colder hollows get with signs that Saranac Lake may actually drop into the teens. Nevertheless, the growing season across much of the North Country looks to be coming to an end with a hard freeze expected in most locations outside of the Champlain and St. Lawrence Valleys.

35F for the low this morning, no frost only fog.

Phin, how much did you get or what was max depth in 2010 down there? Those were some legit storms, 100" seasonal totals in a couple spots right? That still has to rank near one of the more incredible couple of storms relative to a spots location that an East Coast climate has seen. Then 5 years later 2015 came along in Eastern SNE. The ocean storms were off the hook for a stretch during a multi-year period in different spots.

That's awesome. I love it because your move has brought more light into studying the climo of the Whites and N.NH. We've had the Greens pretty well covered for years from Mitch down in S.VT to myself and J.Spin monitoring the upslope zone up north... I actually think posters who live outside the area have a decent grasp of the climo in the Greens. Now we can focus on really honing in our skills and knowledge on the area around the Whites. We need a poster (maybe Pickles) to move up to Rangley and we can really micro-analyze that. Like how low the snowfall is around Whitefield-Lancaster really blew my mind, even for a 1,500ft shelf on a 1,900ft ridge in that discussion yesterday. Love learning stuff like that.

It’s what we do up here. I spend my time visualizing air flow around and in mountains lol. I probably spent more time at work looking at mountain climo today than I did working. Don’t tell anyone. It’s September at a ski area, ha. The work is coming. Be glad I wasn’t one of your employees working from home, lazy bastards just looking at topomaps and cocorahs.

I have a theory that gets stronger every time I see it, but there is something substantial to a flow that parallels a gap in the terrain. Like what you mentioned for N or NE winds or S winds into Pinkham. The valleys between the mountains do best IMO on flows that parallel that terrain and cause a good deal of low level convergence as all that air is forced between 3,000-4,000ft terrain... like when you put rocks close to each other in a river and watch the water build up and then get squeezed between them. I really think it's a thing for J.Spin in the Winooski Valley and I've seen enough times where it appears some meso-scale convergence is happening between the mountains on westerly flow that takes his precip rates to another level... and say RT 2 corridor in Randolph has a similar topography in a larger sense to I-89 corridor through the Green Spine where J.Spin is...with a relatively narrow gap between the terrain. Pinkham would have the best forced flow on a blocked southerly or blocked NEly flow, IMO. When there's veering with height, the moisture has more trouble getting over the barriers so it finds the gaps to squeeze through... like forcing toothpaste out of a bottle, you get this concentrated stream out the end. I do think the preferred locations are ones with gaps that travel east to west but I'm very convinced there's something meso-scale to those lower terrain mountain passes between larger terrain, where the best results are flows that parallel the gaps. That wind will take the path of least resistance and so it all funnels into those gaps, leading to intense low level convergence. Results in better low level lift, often better snow growth, and you get absolutely zero low level drying of hydrometeors. It is extremely efficient precipitation to have a flow align with the gap in the mountains.

We’ve seen some pretty blocked flow synoptic events over the years, but it would still benefit Pinkham because MWN is higher than Wildcat... I don’t see them getting blocked on anything with a SE or E low level flow. But if the SFC to mid-level lows aren’t stacked, you can get some decent veering and a low level inversion leading to solid blocking on the SE side of any terrain in some synoptic events. That veering/blocking is why the western/NW sides can sometimes do much less QPF on the synoptic portion, IMO. If the flow was unblocked you get a more even distribution on both sides of the terrain.

Yeah it is probably as ripe as it gets for brush fires. Despite the summer rain, we are at like 1/3rd of an inch in past 3 weeks up here and ground cover/leaf litter is very dry...I can’t imagine what it’s like from you to Bob.

That’ll really hamper the ability to build snowpack if the ground is burning in a few months still.