michsnowfreak

Im wondering if this is similar to 1877-78, where the core of the warmth was centered in MN/the Plains? While it was certainly a mild winter here in 1877-78, it wasnt nearly the magnitude of out there. To date, 1877-78 stands as Detroits 16th warmest winter on record. Other winters of that era of up-and-down winters that rank higher on Detroits warmest list are 1881-82, 1879-80, and 1889-90. The warmth and lack of snow in 1881-82 & 1889-90 is FAR more impressive here than the mild winter of 1877-78 which actually saw slightly above avg snowfall. While December 1877 is Detroits 5th warmest on record, January and February 1878 dont even make the top 20. Meanwhile, there is tons of documentation and stories about how wild Minnesota's Year Without a Winter was in 1877-78, and it appeared even worse in Duluth than Minneapolis. (Duluth was warmer than Detroit in Feb 1878!) And same here. The warmest temp this January at DTW is 44F. Only 29 years of the 151 years on record saw a lower max temp in January.

While that very well may be the case (high grass), there was documentation of dandelions in bloom throughout lower MI in January. This years warm December was following an average November which ended with a cold snap, and was followed by a big cold snap in January. At the time of that picture (mid-Jan 1932), there had been almost no cold to speak of that winter. To this day, Nov 1931 stands as the warmest on record, Dec 1931 the 9th warmest, and Jan 1932 the warmest. There was also a lot of rain the entire time.

It has turned into another London night with fog and slowly melting snow here.

You beat me to it. lol. 1932 was also the warmest January on record. This, combined with constant rain, had dandelions in bloom throughout Jan in MI. Looking at the top 10 wettest Januarys, wet doesnt always mean snowy. 01.) 5.25” – 2024 (snow 17.0”) 02.) 5.02” – 1932 (snow 0.9”) 03.) 4.96” – 1874 (snow 17.9”) 04.) 4.38” – 1950 (snow 9.5”) 05.) 4.31” – 1916 (snow 1.1”) 06.) 4.27” – 1929 (snow 22.1”) 07.) 4.12” – 2020 (snow 9.7”) 08.) 3.95” – 1913 (snow 8.0”) 09.) 3.92” – 1993 (snow 11.0”) 10.) 3.87” – 1907 (snow 12.7”) This picture was published in the January 16, 1932 Detroit Free Press. A woman posed with grass clippings after mowing her grass.

I'll post the f6 after tmrw. Definitely trace days here too, comes with the climo

Its been nonstop. We have had a grand total of 4 days in January with 0 precip.

DTW reported 2.4" snowfall on 0.28" liquid today. It's officially Detroit's wettest January on record at 5.25", breaking the previous 1932 record of 5.02". Snowfall for the month, while not a record, was also above average. At 17.0" this ranks is the 27th snowiest January on record. The snowiest January was set 10 years ago (39.4") during the unforgettable 2013-14 winter. Season to date snowfall at DTW is 19.5". I saw 1.8" today, bringing my monthly total to 16.0" and the season to 18.1".

congrats. Seems like extreme northern Wayne/Washtenaw into much of Oakland/Livingston/Macomb was the jackpot with 4-5.5". But obviously the biggest storm of the season so far was Jan 12th. We missed the band early on which got those areas off the ground running, so we finished with 1.8" imby, more inline with the actual forecast lol. Since mild weather is coming, im not nearly as mad as I would be if it was going to be cold.

Snowing beautifully out. Missed the heavy band that creamed areas north and west of me though. Crazy to think some will end up with 4 or 5" out of this. Stings a bit less knowing mild weather is immediately on its heals. In any event, with moderate snow falling at the 11am obs, DTW has officially seen the wettest January on record. Stats later. Friend who does salting/plowing (not sure if he posts here sometimes?) said he has had 29 billables this season (dont know what that means lol) and 25 have been in January. Been a very, very active month in southeast MI, both good and bad.

Detroit's low temperature this winter has been -3° so far, but the lions showed Detroit a whole different type of cold yesterday after halftime

Full week? Amateur! signed, Michigan.

That's crazy. Minneapolis' infamous 1877-78 may move to 2nd place.

DET is not a first order station so it's not monitored/calibrated, plus it is quite a ways from DTW. Depending on the airmass and flow, sometimes DET will be warmer and sometimes not. Regardless the whole assertion that DTW runs cold is utterly ridiculous. It's either tcc trolling or more grasping for warm straws that aren't there, simply because I asked a legitimate question about Milwaukee. DTW is still among the warmer temperatures every day on the DTX RTP round up.

Fantastic analysis as always @OHweather. I never DONT want snow in winter, but since reality has been for a while that the first half of Feb will mostly suck, Im actually not mad about getting some zzz's. After tomorrows burst of snow it looks to dry out for a while after what will be our wettest January on record (snowfall above avg too, but not top 20 territory). By about Feb 10th, I hope to be feasting on some model eye candy and would love to do a repeat of what we saw from Jan 11-24 or so.

He has ramped up the trolling since his buddy was repeatedly banned.

Youve been here for decades? Interesting. And no, Im not always complaining about heat island at DTW. A handful of years ago it seemed that there was an issue with the DTW thermometer running warmer, and retired met Bill Deedler always complained of heat island, but Ive not seen an issue in a while. In fact, Ive always said that DTW is in a rural-ish area, and that in the '60s-80s the radiational cooling was off the chart (the days of less concrete at the airport). Its not so much a heat island today as it is a radiational cooling magnet it was in the 60s-70s (comparable to present-day Ann Arbor). If you actually paid attention to the weather instead of just playing around all day on xmacis, it would not be a surprise that DTW is running similar to Flint. The big cold snap (the one that smashed records in the plains that you called run of the mill) had the core of the cold further south in MI than north. It was like 12 in Traverse City when it was -3 in Detroit. And the month has been full of stagnant weather, almost no sun, and significantly more rain and snow in Detroit than Flint.

Thanks. Heres the comparison to Detroit for Toronto's 20 least snowy. Most years were below avg at Detroit too, but 3 of them (2009-10, 1877-78, 1987-88) finished north of 40"+. 01.) 1952-53: 18.4” --- 16.6” 02.) 2009-10: 23.7” --- 43.7” 03.) 1932-33: 25.7” --- 25.8” 04.) 1936-37: 27.7” --- 12.9” 05.) 2011-12: 28.3” --- 26.0” 06.) 1982-83: 28.7” --- 20.0” 07.) 1905-06: 30.2” --- 29.4” 08.) 1877-78: 30.2” --- N/A* 09.) 1881-82: 30.4” --- 13.2” 10.) 1937-38: 30.9” --- 22.6” 11.) 1957-58: 31.3” --- 20.0” 12.) 2015-16: 31.8” --- 35.3” 13.) 1994-95: 31.9” --- 33.5” 14.) 2006-07: 32.8” --- 30.3” 15.) 1928-29: 33.7” --- 38.9” 16.) 1988-89: 34.3” --- 25.1” 17.) 1999-00: 34.8” --- 23.7” 18.) 1847-48: 34.9” --- N/A 19.) 1941-42: 35.3” --- 23.4” 20.) 1987-88: 36.4” --- 45.1” *March & April data is M in 1877-78, but snowfall was above avg despite the mild temps that winter* Oh and its so damn cool that Toronto has data since 1840. I do have a thick book that details winters of the 1830s-1880s at Detroit (a guy kept a journal) but not actual official stats.

"Admire" is not a word I'd use to describe cromartie. This January has been full of both fun times and frustration, but it's been anything but zzzz here.

This morning was back & forth between rain and wet snow. I received a slushy 0.2" of snow, but the heaviest amount was right near the airport, complete with slush covered roads at 0.8" at DTW. DTW is now at 4.97" precip and 14.6" snow in January. The wettest January on record is 5.02". I am at 5.00" precip and 14.2" snow in January.

Ah ok. Makes sense. We went from Winnipeg last weekend to Seattle this weekend.

How close are you to ord? They are at 0 depth now

We are now down to just piles.

Cleveland is part of the Lake Erie snowbelt & average 18.8" more than Detroit, so really not a good comparison. Although the last several years I don't know what's going on in Cleveland, they've been in the snow hole it seems.

Detroit can do good in weak el ninos. Strong are the worst. Do you have Torontos top 20 least snowy?

My expectations are not centered around big dogs. I am closer to a beavis, but not as extreme. In a strong nino I'd never expect sustained winter, but hope for periods of it. Just because you enjoy the fun times (ie the last 2 weeks) doesn't mean you're satisfied or expectations met. Which is where I don't understand where beavis is going. Who of the winter lovers is saying their satisfied? It's a subpar winter all around, especially in most or the Northwoods, but doesn't mean you can't enjoy the fun when it's here.