Brian D

What a wet couple days, such a waste of potential snowfall. Could have had a robust snowpack with this one, but...... Oh well. precip much needed with 1.31" so far, and still coming down. 1.56" is avg for the month, so we are right there with that.

Yeah, that was a strong surge of warm air from the SW. Records fell handily across our SW sub that day. Here's the map.

That really depends on late Nov-early Dec temps, and snow cover. Last year we had so much snow early, that frost wasn't an issue either. It's not an uncommon thing. When you have sd's into neg temps overnight more regular, the frost goes deeper quicker, unless the snowpack is robust. There may be some frost in the wooded areas, but temps, and lack of snow cover this year probably have kept the frost from going down much. And I wouldn't be out on any ice today.

Moderate rainfall in progress this morning. This is really needed. It's soaking in just fine.

Started at Accuweather back in 2007, then Joe (Chicago Storm) invited me to another one a couple years later after Accu was getting bad. Then just faded away for a few years until I ended up here. I wanted to get back to wx forums again, so I did a search, and found this one and another. The other one needed admin permission to be a part of, and I didn't get a reply. Signed up here, and I see Joe posting. Go figure.

In the end, both extremes of temp come with their dangers. Tough stuff, and yet our ancestors dealt with it all the time. Sometimes at the cost of their lives.

She's right. Wind cuts like a knife. Draws heat right out of you.

Darn right it is. That crap will hurt you.

It's thick enough up north here to walk on. Down your way is pretty iffy yet. But it'll form quick, and thicken with the colder wx.

That's why we are all wx weenies. Love the changeable nature of this great creation.

Lack of snow makes ice fishing so much easier. Nice to be able to walk across the lakes without loads of snow, and slush under that. I like to be able to drive across the lake, and hit various spots with ease. Silver lining with the lack of snow I guess.

Usually true. Gonna be close me thinks. Looked at Duluth, and the last brown Christmas was 2006 for them, at least over the hill there at the airport. Shoreline of the lake can see them more often. Every foot of elevation counts around here.

Yeah, just a dusting from some robust snow showers very early this morning around here. My grandson asked me if we were going to have snow for Christmas. Told him it would be a close call with 50-50 chance. Still expecting something just before or on that day, but will it pan? We shall see. Have that in the Holiday thread. TH co-op has snow depth readings of 0 for a few years on Christmas being right on the shoreline, The last was 2018. I'm ~ 1 mile from the shoreline, and can have slightly more otg than down there. Topo is unique for TH as it is the only place on the North Shore that has a more gentle rise. There is a big hill in the midst of town, tho. Reminds me of an ancient landslide. Probably was, and massive.

Uffda! No envy here.

Your doing better than me. The dry spell continues. What a difference from last Dec. Duluth ended up breaking it's monthly snowfall record. About 20 yrs ago (03/04 I think), we had little snow otg, and by Feb septic systems all over NE MN were failing. Drain fields were freezing up due to deep frost. Water mains were routinely breaking due to frost heaves. It wasn't even that cold of a winter, pretty avg/above with very little below zero temps. Septic services couldn't keep up with the pumping demand. They made a lot of money though.

Don't mind at all. Saves on my heat bill. It can get really F**King cold up here, so milder days are a plus. (20's & 30's)

Interesting. Similar pattern to what I'm seeing. Let see how this one pans.

System passing through today bringing nought in precip for me, and now cold winds up to 35mph. This old house breathing a bit. Can feel the draft.

I guess the Dec 9-10 stm thread should be moved in here.

Good cast. Potential works out, although what a NW trend in today's model runs. GFS back on T-Day had a possible storm track my way (as noted in above post), and it came back with suddenness. Euro keeps it more in WI, UP MI.

Yeah, now I'm in play all of a sudden, at least with GFS. Euro keeps it a little E of me.

For the Fall season we end up on the warmer side for 3rd year in row. Notice the 3 year runs since 2012. 3 avg/cooler, then 3 warmer, then 3 avg/cooler, and 3 warmer. Place your bets for next Fall? 5 & 10 yr trend charts shown respectively.

Prelim data in for Nov, and looks pretty avg. May go up a tick or two when more comes in, but pretty avg with a warmer W sub, and cooler E sub. Trend has dropped in recent years after a strong spike up starting in the late 90's into the early 2010's. 5 & 10 yr trend charts shown respectively.

For April, yeah, even tho there was record warmth in the midst of the month last time. It ended split between W & E sub. The last 2 March's have been split between W & E and N & S sub, as well. March 20 & 21 were pretty warm. March has been tending back n forth, with April's staying cooler. If anything, we are due for a warmer April.

No, it won't be long term, just a few days of significant cold in the mix. A more significant cold pattern won't show up until late Jan into Feb. I put my thoughts down in the winter thread, but just to remind folks: 1st half of Dec seasonable/warmer. 2nd half seasonable/colder. Jan will be mostly seasonable/warmer. Late Jan thru most of Feb will be seasonable/colder with late Feb turning seasonable/warmer. March....hmmm.... I guess a good word for that month would be flippant. Not unlike some posters here.