ORH_wxman

The bolded is really obvious when you visit there if you are at all informed about geology and meteorology together....it's pretty amazing seeing all these structures, but also seemingly very fragile as you put it...or "exposed fragility" to be more precise. I remember reading a paper, say, 14-15 years ago on the climate of CA going back centuries and the unmistakable conclusion from it was that the 20th century was the wettest century on record there since at least maybe 1000-1100...pre-Little Ice Age. I was thinking, "wow, and people go all crazy over droughts like '76-77.....that will look like Shangri La when one of these 10 or 20 year droughts hits"...at the time, we hadn't had the 2014-2015 drought yet there, but same sentiment....the rhetoric was desperate-sounding, but in a historical climate context, the 2014-2015 drought is a fly compared to so many previous periods. The inevitability of a life-changing drought there rang true when reading that paper...and that's not even accounting for any enhancement climate warming might impose on top of such a drought. And I didn't even talk about the geological inevitability there, but you hinted at it.... I'd pass.

ORH still only 59F at 1pm.

High desert is amazing....I'd consider living anywhere there or in the mountains near there in NM, AZ, S CO/S UT....basically the four corners states outside of places like S AZ and Albuquerque or Las Cruces. As for CA, I had a lot of family out there over the years living in different parts of the state.........I love the Tahoe region of CA and some of far N CA like Mt Shasta and up near Oregon (it's very secluded up there, you might as well be in Idaho), but otherwise I don't have much desire to be in that state. The Mojave desert is pretty cool to visit, but I definitely wouldn't live there. The rest of SoCal is basically a dump to me...San Diego was pretty fun visiting years ago but it's become a lot more crowded in the past couple decades. Still not as bad as the LA Basin.

Looking for other seasons in more detail and not off the top of my head...... '76-'77 narrowly missed at ORH...Feb '77 was slightly below normal for snowfall but all other months were above. It appears that '95-'96 is indeed the only other season outside of '04-'05....and actually '04-'05 didn't qualify at ORH (it did for BOS though)....December '04 was about 1.5" below normal for snow. '02-'03 came close but March fizzled badly after the first week that gave a 5-6" event. '77-'78 also very narrowly came close but November only mustered 2.2" vs a 3.0" average.

Yeah it's hard to pull off AN snow in every month including November....1995-1996 did it too. Off the top of my head I can't think of any others.....'93-'94 came close, but we only got a few tenths in November.

How can you even look at that satellite pic and defend a tropical storm characterization?....nevermind any flight data. Cranky gonna cranky.

Ideally it will stay slightly above freezing or just barely touch it.....a hard freeze is usually not great for the colors as it kills the sugars that produce the red pigments. Cold (but not freezing) temps are ideal. Those nights in the mid 30s to low 40s really seem to make the reds pop. The freeze won't affect the yellows/lighter oranges too much, but a hard freeze can risk dropping the leaves a bit quicker also shortening the foliage season.

Oct 2005 was pretty nasty too...remnants of Wilma got a bit entrained. Also Noel in Nov 2007...a bunch of us chased that out on the Cape. Might have been right before you joined the forums.

'04-'05 and last year took totally different paths too after December...last winter, December was extremely wet with near normal temps and then a blowtorch/dry rest of the winter....while '04-'05 was consistently pretty wet and not warm the whole winter.

Well he is on the Cape.....the place where there is actually a positive correlation.

Only issue i have with this is ENSO to precip correlation is basically zero over New England. Exception might be a weak positive correlation over far SE MA and south coast.

Lol that is like an old lady...wearing a shawl and preferring 90F over mid 70s like the other 90% of the population. At least Kevin has a Met now to root along with him in the summer for Atlanta climo.

Ha...I’m not choosing 88F humid over 73F coc anytime soon. Maybe if I’m vacationing on a beach for the entire week. But if we’re just outside hiking, throwing the ball around, riding bikes, etc, etc...give me 70s any day.

Yep. We had posters in GA too (Lookout and I think one or two others...Mr Bob I think was in GA at the time) I wish the old forum was still up like it was for years after migrating here...I had links to some of the big threads and it was always fun going back and reading them to see some of the handles that have long since disappeared. I remember a few years ago rereading some of the threads leading into 12/9/05 and there was a Tip post like 24 hours before the storm....he hadn’t realized that everyone left WWBB and then appeared just in time, lol....I was similar but made it a few days earlier. But the Tip post was hilarious as back then he was even more confusing to the casual wx weenie....he was posting something about the mathematics/thermodynamics of a potential tropofold event....LOL. It was based on some of the ETA runs going insane. Turned out to be a great call though in that storm.

That was Zonties in the feb 2006 storm, lol. But yeah he was also in SW CT. I think near Danbury.

We used to have a lot more SW CT posters years back but many of them either moved to one of the tri-State spinoffs or just don’t post much anymore. I still remember back when Kevin and I would pig pile on StephenCT in Waterbury for his “questionable” snowfall obs. Lol.

Yeah it’s def not all covid. He was throwing tantrums when we had a few 73F COC days in June....he’ll be wearing a shawl by next year when it’s 80F.

Ok this is pretty impressive for 9/20...still a ways out but it’s been showing up pretty consistently the last couple days.

Cold is important in SNE (less so up there) but precip is more important...unless you are on the south coast or cape or something like that. Most of our awful winters have low QPF (see last year after December)...there’s exceptions for sure but I’ll roll the dice with the active pattern any day.

Yeah keep it dry and then let’s get 25 inches of qpf from Nov-Mar to even it out.

For “snow depth” to equal a trace (or more), it needs to be observed on the ground at observation time....but to record “daily snowfall” as a trace, all you need is literally a flake of snow (or sleet/graupel) to fall out of the sky and it technically gets recorded as a trace.

ULL (but not quite closed off...very deep cold trough likely with windex type graupel/snow). I was outside in it. Late afternoon/early evening on 9/30/92. It was still light out. It started as just a few drops of rain and then quickly we were like “is that hail?”....and it went nuts and all of the sudden flakes mixed in and it went nearly to all flakes for a good 10 min or so. Never got below mid/upper 30s I don’t think but man, that was crazy. Little did I know what would happen a few months later in Dec ‘92. I guess “snow in September” doesn’t cancel winter....

Nitpick but I have ORH at 11. Might be you just missed one of the ASOS blackout years (Oct 2000 and 2002 both had snow) 1993, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2015, 2016

Yeah I'd have to think at minimum he will see those graupel squalls that change to snowflakes after several minutes of good intensity on some cold CAA cyclonic flow airmass that would coat things up.....but he's likely to get something more real in October there.