ORH_wxman

Wow, that's pretty sweet.

If you think about what they are actually eliminating with body scans and shoes being taken off, it's not 9/11 type threats. Those were eliminated with cockpit door reinforcements. The "threat" they are mitigating is maybe a random wack job who tries and puts C4 in his shoe or tries to hide a non-metal knife in his pocket that metal detectors wouldn't pick up....or someone who wants to light a bottle of shampoo on fire by hiding flammable liquid in it. When you stop to think how ridiculous these are compared to the extra steps beyond just walking through the metal detector and putting your bags through x-ray machine (these were the pre-9/11 procedures), it starts to make more (or less?) sense.

Yep, we had to get my two boys done for their daycare....did it a couple weeks ago.

I remember reading that the amount of money it costs society to go through the TSA lines was something ridiculous. I'm talking lost economic activity due to the time and disincentives to fly, not just the cost of staff (which was minuscule by comparison). I'll have to find the paper, but I was thinking how much more useful it would be for that money to be spent on stuff that actually helps people.

There's a few required....polio was one...MMR is another I remember being required (and I think it still is)

I'm definitely not, but it has been normalized so we don't feel like it's a huge deal anymore. We think that hopping a flight from Chicago to Denver requires us to get body scanned and shoes taken off while standing in long security lines. 99.9% of the 9/11 risk was eliminated when they reinforced the cockpit doors.

Haven't had the pleasure of flying their first class yet....I've done it on other domestic airlines though over the years (usually getting lucky by being bumped to FC) Best economy I ever flew though was Emirates when I flew to Dubai....their economy was like first class on domestic airlines. For the 13 hour flight, you got 3 meals plus a "snack" and alcoholic beverages were free.

Jet blue is awesome....I fly them to Buffalo every year when I meet up with old college buddies for a football game (unfortunately not this year). But they are always so easy and I don't think I've had any delays with them. I did delta once or twice and they suck....got delayed 2 hours leaving BUF airport.

LOL....yep. Gonna get the opposite of '17-'18 (Nina December and El Nino mega-late winter that winter)

This is starting to get too political for the wx side....but I don't think the population will have any sort of appetite for flu-related lockdowns. They barely have it for covid without a vaccine.

Yeah as long as this is true 100%, then it should be fine. Though the longer term effects are not going to be known, so on some level, this won't be quite as rigorous as a conventional vaccine which may study the effects more than a few months after taking it. We know there are some incentives to be fast, which is both a good and bad thing. I think the good outweighs the bad for sure, but acknowledging some of the potential risk isn't unwarranted.

I said a couple months after being available to anyone who wants it (i.e. no wait....no supply issues)

It definitely has been rushed. Doesn't mean it's not safe though, but this is literally breaking records for how fast they are doing this.

I agree it could take longer than people are saying. I was immediately on the pessimistic bandwagon back in spring when a lot of people were saying we'd all be stuck with a needle by autumn. But for hypothetical purposes, whenever the vaccine is widely available to anyone who wants it, that's when basically all restrictions should be lifted. I could maybe see keeping them a bit longer for things like LTC facilities and hospitals.

ID card requirement is gonna be tricky....hippa act stuff. That's also a bit of a despotic road you don't want to go down. Once the vaccine has been widely available for a couple months, you just lift all restrictions. If people don't want to get it, it's on them and it is not up to society to cater to them.

I'm sure after a certain amount of time has passed, they can mandate it for things like public schools (which already have vaccine requirements).....but yeah, in an absolute sense you can't actually force people to take a vaccine if they don't want to.

Once there is widespread availability of the vaccine (i.e. no waiting for anyone who wants it), there should be no restrictions. Hopefully that means by the time we get into warm season 2021.

It’s still pretty early. Even up there November can be quite spotty...some years it seems to really feel like deep winter and permanent snowpack sets in by 2nd or 3rd week but there’s plenty of years where it’s not much at all.

Yeah in Jackson, he will get less upslope than phin and def less upslope than Alex. Wrong side of the presidentials. But that area does really well on the typical WAA systems and coastals.

You’re gonna clean up on some of these easterly flow events/coastals and on CAD events you’ll do really well too. You’ll be like one of the last places to mix with sleet on those CAD type of systems (if you do at all). Places like Plattsburgh over to BTV might be ripping sleet pellets while you are S+. Jspins location was designed in an upslope weenie’s basement on their computer game “sim snow 2000”. That’s their bread and butter. Getting a few inches here and there when similar elevations are getting a dusting or flurries.

I mentioned boxing day in the part you bolded.

2010-2011 was weird in that the pattern actually got pretty damned good in early December, but we got skunked for like 2 weeks straight. Huge -NAO and active PJ, but we still found a way to get a massive cutter in there and then everything else got shredded in poorly-timed meat grinders. We finally got a storm to retrograde underneath the massive block in the Dec 20-21 timeframe that hammered Cape Cod (and parts of Maine?) and gave 2-4" to the rest of us in New England, and then of course the Boxing Day model bust. Then we relaxed the pattern a bit around New Years before going into the epic January 2011 stretch. The model guidance didn't really "see" an epic stretch per say. It showed a persistently favorable pattern though without any warmups. We had the big -NAO until the 1/12/11 storm and then we actually went into a bit of a +PNA pattern for a time before another weak NAO block formed and then was erased in the 1/27/11 storm. We had loaded dice and they kept coming up 7s for us is essentially what happened.

That's true for younger kids, but not as much for the high school aged and college aged kids. They still transmit pretty effectively. Might not be as efficient as a 45 year old, but pretty close it seems from the prelim papers. The elementary school aged kids seem to only transmit at half the rate and toddlers even less. I'll also add that the spreading seems to be done outside of school more than in it. There was that study from CT a month back or so that showed a ton of transmission is occurring in carpool settings and after-school gatherings.

High school kids don't wear them very much outside of school. My wife tells me she will see them all hanging around someone's car after school and they have all taken their masks off and they are terrible about staying distanced at lunch time when they are allowed to take them off inside. That's definitely one reason cases are spreading...they teenagers and younger college-aged crowd don't really wear them....they'll spread it to older people. People are also staying inside more now that the weather is colder.

Yep, the usual suspects would say "oh here we go again!!!11! Always 10 days away!!!11!1!" That said, this has been increasing in intensity as we inch closer the last couple days. So I think there's a good chance is materializes.