North and West

17 minutes ago, Dan76 said:

we can use the rain.

I'm glad someone said it.

19 minutes ago, bluewave said:

I didn’t see those later in the evening forecasts since it was a school night. My weather radio was still repeating the 4pm forecast. Alan Kasper was my favorite TV forecaster of the 1970’s. I can remember first hearing about the potential of Hurricane Belle coming up the coast on one of his broadcasts.

I'm not nostalgic for it, but there's something to be said about having a lack of resources like we had growing up. Now I feel - even though I enjoy scrolling through this board this time of year - just inundated (no pun intended) with differing scenarios. 

16 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, those were the only really positive busts that I can remember from the 1970’s and 1980’s. There were just too many negative busts to remember. You knew the snow forecast wasn’t going to pan out when the moon was visible through a thin cirrus layer.

Sounds like January 2015 here! (and most of my childhood prior to 1994...)

12 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It’s just too difficult to get a 6 inch of greater snowstorm in both Nov and Dec near the coast. We saw this most recently back in 2012. During all the seasons with a 6 inch or greater Nov snowstorm, none followed up with another as soon as December. But all the seasons had further such storms later in the season.

Years with Nov 6”+ snowstorm near the coast

2018

2012........1 event in Feb 2013

1938........1 event in Jan 1939

1898........2 events in Feb 1899

1882........2 events in Feb 1883

Small sample size, though. Sure, it correlates, but it's too few to extrapolate. 

7 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

Boy you young'ns are so spoiled  You'd all lose your minds if you had to go years between snowstorms of more than an inch or two or if every storm started with some sort of frozen precip and ended as rain. That's what it was inside of 287 for most of the first 28 years of my life. When it goes back to that, which it inevitably will, what are you all going to do? 

We had one (!) snow day in my entire elementary school career, courtesy of the March 1993 storm. I used to think Christmas movies lied since they would show snow. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

7 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

The early cold was a tease, the big snowstorm this month hit the SE, there was no snow, there was way too much rain, constant cutters. Temperature departures will end up at +2 or better. 

Nothing will ever be worse than Dec 2015 but it's in the top 5 worst (last 25-30) years to me.

Yes, but we can't control it, and we've been spoiled recently. That's all. 

Just now, 495weatherguy said:

Agreed   Very wet month.  And the beginning of the month(cold)should be occurring now and the (relative)warmth of the 2nd half should have occurred in the 1st half

Of course. It's just interesting to see these things as I get older. I'm not as disappointed as my kids; it's good character-building for them to see this after enjoying a snow day in November. 

1 minute ago, SnoSki14 said:

One of the worst Decembers in my lifetime regarding winter weather. 

It can only go up from here. 

That seems a bit extreme; I thought it was interesting being very cold early in the month. Of course, we all enjoy snow, but I thought it was interesting. I could do without so much rain, though.

2 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

If the 30th wave doesn't happen. It can easily come back on the models as we get closer ( might be the typical vanishing time period )

If this wave does fail , I don't see anything good until the 2nd week of January just like everyone has been saying.

I hate losing opportunities in the winter.

We've had so many nice snowstorms in the past decade, it's bound to swing and miss some years. 

We got about 1/2” on the grass in MMU. Looks nice.


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14 hours ago, Dan76 said:

When do we start talking about sun angle

I wish there was an option to love this comment. I was thinking yesterday with the solstice observed, when can we begin weaving in sun angle mentions?

33 minutes ago, Zelocita Weather said:

Looks increasingly like a light snowfall (C-2") for X-mas eve, would be nice. 

That would be nice; where does it show that? I haven't seen it yet.

This board this time of year...

1 minute ago, bluewave said:

Back-loaded winters have been the norm during the 2010’s. I guess the only winter we can truly call front-loaded was 10-11 with the 60” in spots before February. Even the La Niña last year had an historic late finish. El Niño’s are usually back-loaded by nature. So it’s not a stretch to believe this will be much different.

It's interesting how we perceive time since we think the second half of winter is after Christmas/once the daylight becomes longer, even though that isn't true.

12 minutes ago, tdp146 said:

The weather up there truly is as advertised. I hiked up a few years ago, it was in the 60s when we submitted. Like clockwork, a wall of clouds came in like a train and the temp dropped as we started back down. Ended up getting hailed on. I watched a bolt of lightning come out of the clouds at a lower altitude from where I was standing. It was surreal, and scary.  The forecast called for just the slightest chance of T-storms, we kind of knew there was a chance we could get into some trouble. But when you drive up 8 hours and only have one chance to make the trek, you kind of feel like you should just go for it. Still glad we did. 

Wow!

I want to drive up, do the cog railway, take the kids on the weather tour (for me, too), and then go back down.

6 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said:

 

The Cog train is the way to go.  I've found taking the train to be much more enjoyable than driving.

Yea... the driving seems a bit white-knuckled, with the lack of guide rails. 

10 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

Well clearly you should take them to the top.  I've taken The Cog train to the top, driven a few times and this year took the guide van tour, that was nice because i could just take in the views and not focus on driving.  

I hope to!

Just now, IrishRob17 said:

I took my kids here in North Conway, its neat little interactive museum, great for kids. https://www.mountwashington.org/visit-us/weather-discovery-center/

Thanks!

My kids are into watching the radar now, and would love the extremes of Mount Washington.

Banter question: I'm thinking of taking the kids up to see some New England highlights in the near future; possibly as soon as this summer. Do you know if there are tours/know anyone who does tours of the Mount Washington weather observatory? (yes, yes... www.lmgtfy.com) My kids are into the weather and baseball, so thinking of doing a big Cooperstown - Mount Washington loop from our home.

6 minutes ago, jfklganyc said:

Lot of drama on this site over a warm week or two.

Looks like lots of days in the mid 40s to finish out Dec. So what?

Is this 2015 where flowers are still alive in the pots outside? Or do we have a hefty snow and lots of sub freezing nights in the books already?

Just to frame, the LR forecast didn’t forecast second half October cold, November below normal or cold start to Dec, yet the emotional swings with each swing of the LR du jour is rapid.

Enjoy the holidays.

Noting that winter is over has become a Christmas tradition amongst us. Getting the tree up, hanging the stockings by the chimney with care, hawking a White Christmas that doesn't materialize, and then duly noting that winter's over. 

27 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, 2000-2010 was an amazing run of double digit December monthly snowfall totals for NYC. Winters have become much more back-loaded since then.

FWIW, if the November storm occurred three weeks later, no one would bat an eye. 

15 minutes ago, Toekneeweather said:

Not so fast sir, end of December could be a doozy for our area!

I'll take it if it's Christmas Eve through New Year's for the ambiance. 

3 hours ago, CIK62 said:

Next 8 days averaging 42degs., or about 5degs. AN.

EPS still has No Snow for the next 10 days.   GEFS stays with a 50/50 chance of at least 3" through the 27th.

Month to date is -3.3[37.4], and should be near Normal by the 20th.

The RRWT looks scary cold starting soon and continuing all Jan., execpt for 'winter thaw time' near the 21st.    Off the scale cold for at least some of the month of Jan., over a large area is showing up.

On Your Mark, Get Set,   L e t ' s    F r e e z e!

What's RRWT?

10 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

Better pattern showing up near Christmas week.

A white Christmas would be nice

Never seems to happen though, you know? Had some mood flakes last Christmas Eve, which was nice. 

6 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

According to the documentary I saw tonight, 1995 was the start of the iGen (see above post.)

 

FYI I was born in the 1970s and I wouldnt go near canned tuna or really any canned food, it's extremely unhealthy and full of preservatives.

What gets me is the bonkers headline (could be clickbait, who knows) that millennials don't own can openers. C'mon, really?