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  1. 19 hours ago, pirates21 said:

    Great pics. You should take a ride up top of Wopsy. Looks similar to Blue Knob. Really beautiful with the snow on ice covering everything. The large pine trees covered with snow and ice are gorgeous 

    I did just that not too long ago, it definitely didn’t disappoint haha. It really sticks out with the clear skies today, I wish I could load the full quality pics on here. It’s always wild the difference 4 miles and 1100’ of elevation makes. 

    Top of Wopsononock Mtn west of Altoona




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  2. 3 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:


    What do you think of the Monday snow potential?

    This looks like a quick hitting advisory type event, like a 2-3" scattered 4" type deal for most with perhaps more frequent higher amounts (4-6") a better possibility in the Laurels, I-80 corridor, and Poconos. Also need to consider the possibility of a weak spot in the south central counties between I-99 and I-81 (Bedford, Fulton, Franklin, maybe southern half of Huntingdon, etc.) where could only be a 1-2" type snowfall. Low stays NW of PA on a general westerly flow so that typically invites the probability of some downsloping in that aforementioned area, and it has been showing up on most model guidance. Could only be 1-2" in the LSV as well, and I'll explain that below. 

    Timing and temps are another concern, esp LSV below the turnpike. This appears to be a late morning to late afternoon/early evening hit, so rates better be good there with marginal low level/surface temps. I often find that after about the 2nd week of February or so it's like flipping a switch with respect to solar input (ie the sun angle)...not yet with heavier and/or cold storms, but with clear days and light events with marginal temps (specifically ones in the middle of the day). NAM once again the warmest, bringing mixed up into the LSV. Showing ZR as primary p-type but I would imagine any icing would be limited in scope if it were in fact liquid precip. And considering how thermals have went in the other two events this past week (even though the M/D simultaneously got their 4-6" of snow and still had mixing all the way up through MDT with Thur), I'm inclined to seriously consider the NAM in that regard. So ideally, a good shot of heavy precip up front would at least secure getting a couple of inches. Ratios might be <10:1 as well. Kuchera maps have actually looked a bit worse than the 10:1 maps, and while Kuchera method applies a fairly simple algorithm for calculating the ratios it is generally picking up that the temps 850mb to surface are a bit marginal. 

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  3. 2 minutes ago, Cashtown_Coop said:

    @MAG5035 Nice pics.   I went for a drive yesterday and at 1600ft ran into what I know now after looking at your pics rime ice on the trees.    It almost reminded me of hoar frost


    That looks like a lot of snow down there too at that elevation. Yea it was a combination of rime ice near the summit which is in clouds a good bit (over 3100' at the top) but alot of it was also the new snow sticking directly to the iced trees too. It looked like they had a significant amount of ice up there from that ice storm even for their standards, and since there was never any strong warm push at what is essentially the 925mb level at the top of the mountain there, most of it didn't melt. 

  4. 23 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:


    What are your thoughts on round 2 tonight into tomorrow?

    It does seem like the stuff around is being somewhat under represented on the HRRR but it's still fairly patchy so I don't think we'll end up with as much as some of the models have tonight. I think for the most part an inch or less but perhaps we can get a band setup that drops some localized 1-2" amounts. The best action seems to be staying NW of I-81 for now as well, with it actually snowing half decently here currently. It's been snowing off and on enough this evening that it's got most of the streets and secondary rds icy again. 

    Board was cleared this afternoon right after it started snowing off and on after 2pm. 2.9" fell before, and just measured 0.7" so far since for 3.6" on the event. That makes a 44.1" current season total on those measurements. I generally consider the 45-55" range as average-ish for this end of Altoona right against the Allegheny Front so looking pretty good for Feb 18th. 

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  5. 51 minutes ago, pirates21 said:

    Starting to pick up pretty good over on the other side of the city Mag. I’m near 99. Covering cars now

    Yep same over here, a nice moderate pixie dust snow for now. Getting this early swath of snow to set over the area is gonna be a big part of hopefully getting pretty well into our forecast range of the advisory (3-7"). I think we're in pretty good shape. There's a patch of some more enhanced echoes on radar over JST that should try to shift this way here within the next hour or so. 

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  6. 11 minutes ago, Cashtown_Coop said:

    LWX 9pm update

    00Z IAD sounding showed a warm nose of 1.8C at the 809 mb
    level. This is around 1C warmer than what most of the 18Z models
    initialized. The 18Z Canadian Regional had the best
    initialization of the 18Z guidance with a warm nose around 1C
    with the 00Z NAM now having caught up to the warmer air aloft.
    Although, there is a lot of dry air at that level which would
    result in wet-bulb cooling once precip arrives, the trend in the
    models has been for a faster changeover to mixed precip Thu
    morning. Will be incorporating more of the 00Z NAM and 18Z
    Canadian Regional in our update tonight. These two models have
    verified the best with temps aloft this winter, especially with
    the mid December 2020 and Feb 10 mixed precip events.
    There has also been a trend toward a faster exit of the
    precipitation late Thu night across the region with precip only
    lingering across southern MD and in the upslope areas.

    Great catch. And the 0z sounding (weather balloon) is hard data too. This was my worry about the southern tier in terms of a getting a warm layer somewhere in between 850-700mb. Yea it will wet bulb down, but more robust WAA there is already being noted. Fortunately for our region I think this has been trending towards minimizing the threat for sleet/mixed (0z NAM didn't have it getting very far across the mason-dixon). But there's still a decent possibility of pingers at some point to consider in likely the bottom tier of LSV counties.

  7. 4 minutes ago, MAG5035 said:

    Boy I bet the DC metro folks are loving seeing the 0z NAM and some of the differences between other models this close to game time (||GFS vs GFS and Euro). 3k gives them almost nothing snowy and 12k NAM isn't much better and the 0z HRRR hits them good. My only worry for this region is some sleet mixing in at some point for a little bit in the southern counties. At least none of us are riding THAT edge for this event. 

    To clarify a bit, holy crap the NAM is sleeting on DC. 2.5-3"+ on both the NAMs lol. 

  8. Boy I bet the DC metro folks are loving seeing the 0z NAM and some of the differences between other models this close to game time (||GFS vs GFS and Euro). 3k gives them almost nothing snowy and 12k NAM isn't much better and the 0z HRRR hits them good. My only worry for this region is some sleet mixing in at some point for a little bit in the southern counties. At least none of us are riding THAT edge for this event. 

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  9. 43 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

    For most of this season storms have been modeled too high with QPF only to see a reduction in the final 24-48 hours. I think there's a correlation to that being Nina influenced. That's a guess based on my perception, perhaps @MAG5035 could actually provide real analysis. We've been saying for a few days that 10, perhaps 12" was the max for this storm in a few lucky spots - this was never going to be a prolific snow maker. Flow is WAY too progressive to allow for monster totals. 

    I don't know if it's necessarily a Nina thing. Models being too high with QPF certainly isn't anything new.. especially on the high resolution short range stuff like the NAM and also the RGEM at times too. Pattern is progressive but we're also not phasing shortwaves or amplifying a big time low here in this alignment, and that's a good thing with where that 500mb trough is postioned currently with no NAO/AO blocking anymore. That's why the overrunning aspect of this wave is probably going to be the main part of the storm with the weak surface low and weak mid-level features. We've had a few of these type events this year too. 

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  10. A big key to what we're going to see snow wise with this system is what happens right up front late tonight into early tomorrow with that finger of early warm advection snows that develops and where it's placed as that probably will be the best snows ratio wise and could throw a stripe of a few inches right off the bat to whoever gets it.That's really been the name of the game with this system since last week, what it does on the front end... even with it being a much colder system overall than it was looking at that point. 

    At any rate, it seemed like a good bit of guidance today (especially the short term and high res stuff) places this early stuff closer to a JST-UNV-IPT line than say a Cumberland to MDT one and then the main surge of precip fills in the rest where it will probably be heavier overall in the southern tier. This is actually most important for that corridor (JST/UNV/IPT/FIG) because this may be a low end advisory or worse without it in the central counties.  I'd wager the folks that gets a good piece of the early stuff and transitions into the main surge without wasting a period of light or non-consequential rates are probably going to be the ones that see the best accumulations for the whole event. And if that actually does end up back as far as that JST-IPT corridor, I'd def be more worried about the implications of eventual mixing in the LSV counties. NAM and related near term guidance is the mixiest still, while generally everything else minimizes the mixing above the mason-dixon line. Still have the same concerns with the 500mb mean trough centered west over the central US as well as the mid-level features west of PA and associated WAA busting 0ºC somewhere in that 850-700 layer in esp the LSV. 

    The trend the last couple days has been a bit of a SE shift in the heavy swath and especially an overall toning down on QPF. I think this is basically a 4-8" for all the regulars in here. Clearfield and Williamsport should eventually at least get to 3-4" by the end of this event. Places like AOO/UNV 5-6" and the best chance of a consistent 6"+ swath likely resides closer to the turnpike. Below the turnpike in the southern tier/LSV has the best QPF for widespread 6"+ but that directly depends on if the mixing happens. If it does, I still think everyone gets 3-4". The upper end of this is probably 10".

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  11. 39 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

    I just came from the Philly thread (this forum...not Philly weather) and Ralphie Simpson is making it sound like storm cancel. I don't think the 0z guidance looks too bad? I mean - if we're expecting 12-18" well yeah, but this should still be a 3-6", 4-8", 5-10" kind of deal. 

    I'll take that.

    Yea this wasn't really looking like much more than a 6-12" type event at any point in the heavy axis, other than like the 18z NAM. Another thing I didn't mention on my long post earlier going over the mid-level lows was that we're not really deepening the coastal storm. It's just an overrunning wave attacking a cold high pressure with overrunning WAA precip in either one or two separate heavier precip areas depending on the model. And the weak 850mb low never goes to the coast nor strengthens much, with the parent low staying west of here. So you don't develop the anomalous easterly flow you want to look for to start getting the widespread big amounts and intense banding. 

  12. Temps already back to 24°F here with some fluffy upslope snow showers starting to get things covered up again.

    Spent enough time above freezing this morning that ice is mostly off the trees. Was hard to measure. I called it about a half inch of sleet which combined with the freezing rain made quite the ice layer on the snow. Actual ice accrual on trees and such looked fairly similar to the mostly ZR event I got at the end of December (which I measured 0.2”). 

    Snowpack avg depth after the ice is about 8-9” with as low as 4” and as high as over a foot. 




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  13. 1 hour ago, Bubbler86 said:

    Yea, its very weak but if you notice the SLP in the gulf just sort of hangs around while the precip cuts off up north a bit after 48.  On 57 it shows the low in SC and 3 hours later it is off NJ and scoots out to sea.  I guess the point of my post is that this is not a typical Gulf low and that this really is a bit of a hybrid  overrunning situation with potential big changes last minute.  


    The bigger concern I have for especially the LSV wrt to some mixing later in the storm deals with the mid-level features at 850 and 700mb. The 850 low and 700.. trough are based west of the area. Fortunately these features are weak because a more dynamic phasing storm would assuredly be cutting west given 500mb positioning of the mean trough still over the middle of the country into Texas. Here's the 500mb mid-storm via the Euro. You wouldn't think at first glance CTP (or southern PA here in the Euro's case) is in the midst of getting a significant snowfall but thats the magic of when the features below 17k feet (500mb) are at least somewhat favorable and there's cold air. This isn't the first time we've played this game this winter either. 



    Now going to show what the latest 3k NAM had with it's mid level features. The NAM is definitely on the most amped side of guidance, but same general idea is applying to the other guidance as well. 

    850mb heights/wind 


     850 temps


    First off, you can see the big difference between this one and the last storm... where the 50-60kt+ jet is nosed over SE VA and the Delmarva instead of right directly over PA like last night. There is some southerly flow into PA (enhanced a bit on the west side of the Laurel's) but not the major jet that torches the layer.  That big arrow i drew doesn't show it well but the streamlines show that flow turning back a bit toward a due southerly flow over the Delmarva keeping the 0ºC line somewhat close. But overall, that level is okay for us but we don't want to slow down and amp this storm up much more or your going to direct that southerly flow more towards southern/southeast PA. 

    Now 700mb winds/heights


    700mb temps


    This is the level (and possibly somewhat between the 850 and 700mb) that I'm most concerned about for mixing here in our region. You can already see why the NAM has so much sleet as a pretty strong 700mb jet runs through the Mid-Atlantic into PA.. There's going to be some significant WAA in that layer either way (which could cap snow ratios to a degree) but that 0ºC line is teetering near the LSV at 48 when the bulk of the precip is happening. Above 0ºC 700mb air does work into roughly the SE quarter of PA by hr 54.  Now as I said..the NAM is generally the most amped with the features I pointed out right now, but consider where we ended up last night. WAA aloft ended up being so strong that even the counties in the north that we're supposed to still 6+ of snow at the beginning of yesterday ended up not seeing anywhere near that.

    Now let me add the disclaimer that this event should drop some nice snow up front for everyone. With that said, obviously my concern is more robust warming aloft than even the NAM has modeled... especially at 700mb considering how far west the low feature is. You get that sneaky thin area up somewhere between 700-800mb of above 0ºC air and suddenly your pinging away. So def something to keep in consideration. 




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  14. 14 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said:

    The caution with this NAM run is indeed is it having trouble where to focus.  The primary surface low (if you count the lowest pressure as primary)  is actually off the VA coast at hour 54 not in the Gulf as some maps show.  There are at least 3 areas of low pressure at hour 54 so the Nam is fighting with the "ejection of energy in pieces" issue the Globals have been as well. 

    It's a pretty weak low pressure system overall that's trying to press up into what will be a much better positioned high pressure this go around. I don't think it's really fighting anything, it's actually more focused with a singular significant press of overrunning precip vs the Euro or the ||GFS which seems to have two separate surges of heavier precip. Euro op looked somewhat stronger with the high pressure  so that likely had a hand in kind of focusing on the southern tier more. The surface "low" you see west of the mountains is part of the overall low pressure area but the colder denser air draining down via the high pressure in place gives it that two low look. This is an A with a pretty weak surface low. Classic overrunning look.