the_other_guy

Exactly

Thats the thanksgiving number right? Was a nice event.

Nothing beautiful about today at JFK. Gusty chilly overcast mess 53F Wind gusting to 34 mph with mist

Agreed. Crazy year. LI Sound Ice. But we are talking about December in this conversation

There is no agenda. We consistently talk about that El Niño as some super event on this forum. I read it all the time “super nino” When you put up a chart showing a warming trend over a decade for the month of December and the entire eastern half of the country is blood red, perhaps a footnote. I know we certainly never had a Dec anywhere near that. Have we ever had any other month of the year in New York City that had a +12? If so that may be worth mentioning in the data. Doesn’t affect the data but gives a lot of context

Better get rid of humidity if you want to hit that average.

That’s why a median is a median. Take them both away and you still don’t have the anomalies in the original chart.

You guys are being smart for no reason. It’s the difference between a mean and the median if you remember mathematics. If you take one year with a +12 you skew the entire average. when you look at the median you realize it’s nowhere near +12 and that there is warming but a color-coded chart with an average doesn’t tell the real story. You guys should be so precise with failed long range predictions and sea-sawing opinions of models on this forum. It’s Monday…is the GFS great or a failed model today? :/

That’s a much better look at the data though. it shows much less of a warming trend in the last half of the decade.

But if you notice it’s heavily weighted to the eastern half of the country. I would like to see this chart without the 2015 El Nino in it. That would be a bit more balanced. What was that month? +12F?

Easily +7 over forecast

Actually, the Gfs weeklies said that, so the opposite. I think. Depends on whos posting…

Lots of elms, red maple, sweetgums, sycamore, oaks, and magnolia. 34F in Hastings at 7am

Wasnt everybody throwing in the towel on December a few days ago because the GFS was showing endless 60s? Gospel or a comic strip?

I just landed from Florida. Compared to trees in southern Queens: Daytona had fewer leaves on their non-evergreen trees The urban areas of Jax had about the same amount of leaves on their non-evergreen trees. In case you didnt know, trees in north Florida lose their leaves. Nonetheless, ironic and disturbing and weird

Wow! To see that warmth into Montana in December…

It’s ridiculous. Then you realize it’s the same guys doing the same thing over and over again…in an echo chamber. Look at the screen names…same 5 guys. It’s always gonna be +4. Meanwhile is 35 out. Enjoy your December

I don’t know. I just drove through the Bronx and across Queens… There really isn’t enough foliage on any of these trees to shift a daytime temperature at this point. I mean we’re talking about yesterday Furthermore, look at the observations from yesterday: I bracketed the daytime observation where foliage covering the sun would be an issue. It was overcast through 1pm with some cloud cover through at least 3pm. A clear observation was finally made after sunset. I appreciate what you were saying, but I think whatever foliage is left is not much of a factor especially on a day that was mostly overcast. To dismiss the observation as inaccurate is a bit disingenuous especially when they are within a degree or two of the region

What is the current leaf situation in Central Park? You keep saying this and you get a bunch of people to like it. I don’t see a thick canopy of leaves anywhere… Let alone enough to throw a temperature. Has anybody actually been in the park and observed these conditions?

Past two years I’ve put up the Christmas lights in 50° weather. I’ve taken them down in 50° weather These past three days of light hanging have been windy cold rainy and now snowy. I will take this as a good sign going forward

34F Light snow/ice

What happened at TEB? 28F. Closer to CPK. Foliage? And JFK 30F? Warm water mixed with Foliage? You know what the real outlier has been in temperature readings? EWR. A sea of warmth. How many 70 degree readings this year? Many when no one else in the region crossed the threshold. You know what is another warm outlier? LaGarbage. Their overnight mins are out of whack with the entire region. I know why at LGA…I dont know what is going on at EWR. But the narrative of LGA and EWR being Gospel and NYC being a throwaway really has gotten out of hand. Especially if we are talking about overnight lows…in late November…with few leaves on the trees and variances of a 28-33 in the immediate area.

Stop it! This is getting ridiculous with the leaves. This wasnt a warm month and CPK was one of the last to record a freezing temperature in the region. It a postage stamp of grass in a sea of cement…totally insulated from elements by a wall of tall buildings on all sides

I don’t know about January and February but November and March seem to move in tandem lately.

Another odd night of temps 37-39-30F at 630am That is twice this week with the up and down temps. Anyone know what is causing this? Happy Thanksgiving