LibertyBell

Yeah in the CWA perhaps but when talking about the state as a whole, places like Milville and Trenton are hotter.

I mean I'm not a supporter of massive population growth either, I would like the population to stabilize. Also, large cities with high population densities definitely are not healthy. The companies you speak of are corrupt, they want lax environmental regulations, and don't care if the air and water are unhealthy. Remember what DuPont did in West Virginia, dumping millions of gallons of PFOAs in their waterways? And you can't even speak out against fossil fuels down there, they will firebomb your car or your house, university professors get ostracized or even fired for talking about it. Jimmy Carter was a physicist so you know he was really smart, the problem is the voter base is not smart. He installed solar panels on the White House (which Reagan tore down.)

The severe tstorms were because of the heat and riots and violence in general has been directly connected to extreme temperatures. We see it every year here, as soon as it gets really hot the crime rate goes way up lol. The biggest antidote to crime is cold weather, in the winter when it's cold and snows a lot, the crime rate goes way down.

lol you were not here in 1977, I know how bad it was, we even had a massive power outage and riots because of the extreme heat. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/night-new-yorks-lights-went-out/#:~:text=Morning broke hot and humid,rate was at 12 percent. Morning broke hot and humid over New York on July 13, 1977, at the outset of what became one of the longest heat waves in the city’s history: The temperature would top 100 degrees three times over the next nine days. Heat wasn’t the only stressor that summer. The unemployment rate was at 12 percent. Subway fares had jumped from 35 to 50 cents. Crime was way up: Over the previous decade, the rates of murders, assaults and car thefts had more than doubled, the rate of burglary had more than tripled and robberies were up by a factor of 10. The city was deep into a fiscal crisis that led to dramatic cuts in social services—including hospital and library closures and massive layoffs of firefighters, police, public school teachers and sanitation workers—which placed additional pressure on the residents who needed city services the most. A severe thunderstorm turned this volatile situation into a flashpoint. At 8:37 p.m. in neighboring Westchester County, lightning hit two high-voltage lines at a major power plant. Two more major lines on the Con Edison power system, which serviced eight million people in the greater New York metropolitan area, were struck at 8:56 p.m. A cascade of power outages throughout the system, over the course of just an hour, led to its total collapse. By 9:40 p.m. all five boroughs of the city were plunged into darkness. The economic and social frustrations that had steadily been building boiled over. Widespread looting, unrest and arson broke out in the poorest neighborhoods. Over the next 24 hours, 1,600 stores were damaged, 1,000-plus fires were reported and more than 3,700 people were arrested. Economic damages reached well into the hundreds of millions of dollars. By the time day dawned on July 15, Con Ed’s system was back online, and New York’s residents tried to resume the rhythms of daily life amid broken glass and embers. But they sensed, already, that their city was drastically changed by the night the lights went out. One year later, a special commission established to study the blackout tried, without success, to fully capture its impact. “The social costs of the blackout,” the commission noted in its summary report, “are difficult to measure.”

I don't look at summers in terms of average temperatures, they don't mean anything to me. It had the greatest 2 week period of heat we have ever seen including the second highest temperature ever recorded at NYC 104 and 3 days of 100+ The heat was so bad in 1977 that we had a massive power outage in July. Don't use average temperatures for anything, they don't show the details.

Maybe the sunshine we have now will keep it energized. It was very foggy early today but it's cleared out nicely.

Big storms in Scranton-Wilkes Barre area, Tony! Any storm damage reports yet?

Yes, I'm looking for that to occur in 11 year cycles, the next time would be in the 2032-34 period. Note these summers: 1933, 1944, 1955, 1966, 1977, 1988, 1999, 2010. 2021 didn't live up to expectations but 2022 did so maybe it's slightly more than 11 years lol. At any rate, the next period to look at would be 2032-2034.

but it's sunny here right now and looks nice :-) I see the rain is now forecast to come in earlier, Yesterday they were saying Thursday today they are saying Wednesday? Does this mean it will clear up in time for Memorial Day?

JFK was definitely hotter in 2010 than it was in 1993 but that one big heatwave in July was something special.

do you have a comparison of 1993 vs 2010 vs 2022?

Yeah I was thinking like 1966 but higher if we can get it dry again Look at the 1966 stats for NYC we had a heatwave in June that reached 100+ and another one in July that reached 100+ On one particular day, LGA hit 107, EWR hit 105, JFK hit 104 and NYC hit 103. It was also our driest year of all time, with around 26 inches of annual rainfall. Imagine if that happens in the current era what the temperatures would be like? 2011 was wetter and even with that the temperatures were the same or higher than they were in 1966 On one particular day EWR hit 108, NYC hit 104, LGA hit 104 and JFK hit 103

ah maybe for NJ, but last summer had very few hot days here, maybe they do better on southerly winds there. Our temps don't rise above the 80s here on such winds.

mean temps probably because we live in a more moist world now, but 1993 had the highest number of hot (90), very hot (95) and extremely hot (100) days I've ever experienced until 2010 came along. In this area, it needs to be very dry and get an offshore flow to get it very hot. We can't get very hot on a southerly or even a southwesterly wind.

I lived through 1993 so I definitely it is on my shortlist for hottest summers I've ever experienced. 1983, 1993, 2002 and 2010 are the summers that make the cut.

What I don't like is that drying out seems to be getting pushed back. However, because of the SE Ridge, the rainfall has been underperforming for the coast and we are seeing more sun than was previously forecast. I would look for the ridge to get stronger when we enter summer and that would shift the rain even further to the west.

I'm glad it's mostly sunny today and it should be tomorrow too and through Tuesday or Wednesday at least. Let's celebrate Memorial Day weekend right now lol

The thing I am noticing with climate change is that the changes are extreme and not linear. Notice what's going on with California. They go from historically dry to historically wet and then back to historically dry again. I believe the true calling card for climate change is more extremes, not linear changes, so we will be extremely wet for awhile and then extremely dry and then back again, just like what California has been experiencing.

Because it's much more than just a *warming world*

and we would start to dry out too :-)

People think a *warming world* will only make linear changes, but it's called climate change and not global warming for a good reason, many different things are going to happen. I am 100% sure we will shift to a predominantly westerly wind pattern with time and get our hot and dry summers back. These things go in cycles, even with climate change involved.

LGA: 41 (1983)JFK: 43 (1983) wild how cold it was so late in the season in 1983 and everything flipped in June and we had a historically hot summer and even September, one of my all time favorites.

Good lol

If you were in better shape you would not mind the heat. Humidity I agree on.

we need to suck water vapor out of the atmosphere