LibertyBell

Good we don't need all that rain. I woke up to a bright bolt of lightning and very heavy rain around 4:30 but it only lasted for 30 minutes-- along with the high winds. Must have been a thunderstorm. This is basically a frontal passage for us.

Wow I wonder what was going on to make that month so warm?

It's a lot more than that, they are hard to photograph. You can have great day time snowstorms any time of the snow season. Remember April 2003? That was absolutely amazing and one of my all time favorites.

I remember that was the mostly overnight snowstorm. I slept during most of it lol. Got so exhausted tracking for days and the delay of its onset that I fell asleep right before it started and woke up in the morning just after it ended. I hate night time snowstorms....

Is that called a Modoki?

That's why some of us are predicting a nearly average winter, probably around 24-28 inches of snow for the urban areas.

When I was somewhere around 8 years old and we had the snowless 80s (well nearly so) I decided to make my own snow. I took my mom's talcum powder (this was before we knew it was dangerous lol) and I sprinkled it on our fans....desk fans, ceiling fans, everything, and turned them all on to make my own snow. The end result was a layer of white on everything....the carpet, the bed, the couch, the sofa, the TV.....everything. When they came home they wondered what happened.... I said LOOK IT SNOWED !!!!!

Hey that's gorgeous. The human made stuff is the only reliable stuff we have so go all out. Maybe get a machine to make your own snow as a lot of people do in the South. A present to yourself lol.

Thanks, I wonder how far back the NYC and other local airport records go for this kind of extreme temperature change?

The warming waters could also be a big factor where the arctic airmasses go. Our winters have been warming but did you notice they've been getting colder in Montana and Idaho, etc?

and yet in 2016 itself we somehow got to below zero in NYC lol That was one winter of extremes from extreme warmth in December to a historic snowfall in January to extreme cold in February.

I heard that 1888 was a year of vicious extremes but this is truly horrible. I wonder what was going on that year specifically to make it so extreme?

Quantum computing will hold the real keys (to many problems), it's just frustrating that quantum computers are taking so long to develop. Quantum computers basically imitate natural processes on a much smaller scale which is why I'm so enthusiastic about them.

I have a strong feeling the airports will be closed for a time. Safety first....

True, however this is also the best time of the year to see the night sky because of how clear and clean it is you can see really deeply. I could even see the waning crescent up until 8:20 am, it's slender and curved like a backwards "C" in the southeast to southern sky and pretty high up. The sun is getting higher so it'll disappear into the sky pretty soon.

I think this kind of droppage also happened in the March 1888 blizzard-- not sure how extreme that was but might have been even more than this.

That could still happen occasionally the high was 10 degrees in Jan 1994 and 7 degrees in Jan 1985. That usually means suppressed systems so dry and cold though. In 1994 our very snowy pattern actually happened a few weeks after those below zero temps, before that it was mostly mixed precip and lots of freezing rain and sleet.

Thanks that was another really good unpredicted snowstorm from that snowless/warm era lol.

Right and it was there in the summer too-- it's basically a year round thing now. Lobster season is getting bad, TCs are forming and tracking farther north, etc.

So this is all happening because of the same anomalously warm water. On a brighter note you gotta be excited about the total solar eclipse on April 8, 2024, I'm headed that way for it-- hoping the weather holds out since early April can be touch and go. Don't know which is a better spot for it-- Watertown or Syracuse lol.

Yeah even that event was unexpected, it was supposed to be a frontal passage with some brief light rain/snow and then a wave developed and stalled out offshore.

That was a nice event in years of warmth lol 6"+ events were very rare in that era-- that was the long duration wet snow to heavy snow event right? Was that the one where it snowed for like 36 hours in a very narrow area between Newark and the Hamptons?

that south based block gotta go!

Thanks I wondered if this was like a milder version of that month! I wonder if we will flip to a warmer pattern as extremely as we did that winter or if it will get milder but more tempered (so an all around less extreme version of the wild temperature swings of that winter)....ironic that 1989-90 had one of the longest periods between first and last temp in the single digits!

I remember this for one of the reasons the models were often too warm for the 93-94 winter....remember they predicted so many snow to rain scenarios that winter and the snow always hung around longer than expected and we also had some extended mixing events. Now we also have to deal with warm waters and warm air over water that is affecting the storm tracks.