LibertyBell

As I said MANY weeks ago, summer basically came to an end after mid August.

I liked that it didn't rain much (although it did rain last weekend.)

Areas in the Arctic will also be opened up to farming and other activities. Have to look at all sides.

I don't see it as people not believing it's happening, the vast majority of people know it's happening, they just have many other concerns that matter more to them. Or they actually want warmer weather (especially in the winter.)

It's probably not an existential threat unless you're talking about island nations. Don, we are moving towards more renewable fuels, but at a slower pace than most would like. We'll get there eventually. I would mention to guess at least part of the inertia comes from a majority of people actually liking or wanting warmer temperatures in the winter.

a dew point of 50 is very low, let's take a much more likely scenario.... in August 1918 New York City recorded an all time monthly high of 104 degrees, what was the dew point on that day when the temperature was 104 degrees? Probably somewhere between 65-70 if I would guess. Compare that to the typical August day we get now, it rarely gets higher than 90-95 in August anymore and this year the highest temperature was only 86 =\

it sounds like a fireball, I wonder how close to the ground it got? Did you hear any sound with it (a fireball with sound is called a bolide)?

The 1944 hurricane was extremely underrated, it was a Great Hurricane that came after a Historic Summer. Great Atlantic Hurricane (Sept. 1944) There's a good reason why New Jersey State Climatologist David Robinson calls the Great Atlantic Hurricane "the worst hurricane ever to hit New Jersey in the 20th century." The damage unleashed by this storm was devastating along the entire coastline, with hundreds of homes on Long Beach Island washed out to sea and huge piers in Atlantic City split up into pieces. A resident who witnessed the 1944 destruction in Atlantic City told The Star-Ledger decades later: "It picked up the boardwalk like toothpicks and threw it.” (Photos by New Jersey State Police | NJ State Library) Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Great Atlantic Hurricane (Sept. 1944) This hurricane was so powerful that it swept large boats and barges onto land in Atlantic Highlands, grounded a large passenger boat in Keyport, crushed roads and sections of the boardwalk in Long Branch and destroyed the boardwalk and sea wall in Margate. (Photos by New Jersey State Police and U.S. Navy | NJ State Library) More rare photos of the Great Atlantic Hurricane of 1944 Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Great Atlantic Hurricane (Sept. 1944) The 1944 storm was ferocious, blasting the Jersey Shore with winds as strong as 96 mph and waves reported to be as high as 25 to 30 feet. Hundreds of homes were destroyed on Long Beach Island and hundreds more on the Barnegat Peninsula. On LBI, the hurricane’s storm surge pushed vacation cottages off their foundations and deposited them blocks away. In Manasquan, the storm left 6-foot sand dunes along First Avenue, looking like snowdrifts. In Cape May, the grand piano in Convention Hall was reportedly washed out to sea. (YouTube video by wetwatervideo) Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Great Atlantic Hurricane (Sept. 1944) This video recounts the widespread destruction in Atlantic City. One witness says parts of the city were under 5 feet of water and he watched the ocean surge rip apart large sections of the Atlantic City boardwalk. (YouTube video by pcctv1)

1903 also had a very strong hurricane that took a path close to the city, what category was this storm? Great Hurricane (Sept. 1903) The Great Hurricane of 1903 made a direct hit on New Jersey, causing heavy flooding and structural damage up and down the Shore and as far inland as Trenton (pictured here in a major flood that followed the storm). Among the damage reported by Shore News Today: “Hurricane-force winds downed telephone and telegraph wires across the coast, ripped the roofs off of 60 cottages and destroyed the railroad bridge to Brigantine. Most Jersey Shore fishing piers were severely damaged or destroyed.” (Photo credit: Trentoniana collection | Trenton Public Library) Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Great Hurricane (Sept. 1903) The Great Hurricane of 1903 made a direct hit on New Jersey, causing substantial damage to houses and barns, many of which had their roofs blown off, according to a report by NorthShoreWX.com. The storm’s ferocious winds reportedly uprooted scores of shade trees and fruit trees across the Garden State. In Sea Bright, some houses were completely destroyed by this hurricane, the New York Daily News reported. Pictured is an old map showing the storm's path. (Photo credit: NOAA)

How bright was it? Like a regular star or brighter like a planet?

Wow the 1821 storm makes the much publicized 1938 storm sound like a small gale. Norfolk - Long Island Hurricane (Sept. 1821) This massive storm, known as the Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821, churned its way up the Atlantic coast from Virginia and slammed into Cape May in southern New Jersey as a fierce Category 3 hurricane before speeding up along the Jersey coast and pounding New York City and Long Island. Damage was reported to be heavy in Cape May, where a 5-foot storm surge flooded the small resort city and sustained winds were believed to be as high as 110 mph. This map, produced by the Swiss Re global reinsurance company, shows the storm's likely path. (Swiss Re) Len Melisurgo | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Norfolk - Long Island Hurricane (Sept. 1821) This graphic shows the intense winds generated by the Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821, which flooded Cape May and pounded the Jersey Shore, New York City and Long Island. (Swiss Re)

are you serious-- at what time? it has to be really bright to see one on a highway in all this light pollution!!

it's like a one hour drive or an hour and a half by LIRR (I used to work near the Babylon LIRR station.)

Hey you were in my neck of the beach lol, how do you like the beaches here?

Using the 1991-2020 baseline the huge changed happened around 1940, but I like the other two baselines more, which shows that our summers changed a lot starting in 1930.

Don there are some extremely cold summers prior to 1930, something we have not seen since. There's a huge change pre 1930 to post 1930, what flipped in 1930 to do this?

it's perfect weather for that and also to do some power washing!!!!

Maybe 1966-67? That was the last time I can think of there was a historic winter in the Pac NW and on the east coast in the same season. It was the best winter of the 1960s (although 1960-61 also makes a very strong case.)

wow you're very lucky, our longest heatwaves were in the 1950s and the 1990s.

Don is that more rare or is the back to back 102 at JFK in late June more rare?

It's interesting, while that happens the number of 100+ highs around here in August and September has dropped markedly since the 1950s.

To be fair, thats a little too extreme lol. 2010 was my ideal winter/summer/winter I don't think it can get any better than that around here.

How about if we use the 1951-1980 baseline we all want to use Don?

I hope that smoke stuff doesn't make it down here, I'm getting used to these deep blue skies

Yes really great late summer / early fall weather