LibertyBell

Very interesting, I was just looking at the Providence data going back to December 1831. I wonder if we can use it as a proxy of NYC's snowiest winters since Central Park data only begins in 1869 and there are notations in the Pennsylvania Weather Book that both NYC and PHL received over 100 inches of snow in a season prior to that a few times. Ideally I would like to find records that go back all the way to 1780 since those were probably our snowiest and coldest seasons with a major volcanic eruption in Iceland in that time frame. George Washington's journals indicate there were more than a dozen blizzards of multiple feet snowfall in 1782-83 for example.

why do la ninas happen more frequently than el ninos and why do they last longer?

at least this winter was pretty dry (it would have been better with snow, we definitely were cold enough for snow.)

Yeah this year is way worse than the last 2 years have been.

Yes this year is bad, also there's no drought lol.

Thanks, I usually go by middle of month normals as a rough guide-- it's an easy way to remember what the normal temperature should be for the majority of the month-- here's how I remember it: January 30s February 40s March 50s April 60s May 70s June 80s July 90s August 80s September 70s October 60s November 50s December 40s

aren't the highs supposed to be in the 60s now though?

Yeah we don't have mud season here, at least I don't where I am.

most of us don't really like that lock lol, we've had more than enough wetness. more wetness = more bugs I've noticed far fewer bugs and mosquitos especially with nice dry heat

I'm trying to remember the drier springs with big heat, have we been warmer than 2002 also (realizing the heat in 2002 began a little later.)

I think around 34 here. I remember it was on the anniversary of the great May 9-10 1977 snowstorm.

We were warmer in 2010 and 2012 too I remember both springs were great. I am curious about April in the late 70s, how did we have so many 90 degrees in April back then between 1976 and 1978? The winters were much colder, but spring was warmer? I heard they had 8 inches of snow in the Texas Panhandle wow! Does the Texas Panhandle normally get more snow than we do?

I was in the Poconos for that, we had rain changing to snow Friday evening with 1-3 inches and another inch or so on Saturday with temps in the 20s (lows in the teens) and wind chills near 0 with almost constant snow squalls! And it warmed up in time for thunderstorms and hail on Monday!

Just for highs? It's weird because it doesn't feel all that warm. 2010 and 2012 I know were really warm, outside of those two years, I can't think of another warm spring in recent years. We seem to always have these -nao springs now, especially since 2002. I remember Larry did some research showing that -nao in spring and +nao in winter have become much more common.

It's why we really can't go by average temperatures, I prefer to use high temperatures for a true measure of warmth.

Tuesday and Wednesday will be okay with lots of sunshine and after the next cut off passes we should have a nice stretch of warm sunny weather after next Sunday.

it really should be better than this. I know that people say it's spring bla bla bla, but aside from 1982 and 1996, our Aprils and Mays were much warmer and drier than this between the late 70s and early 00s. We had far fewer -nao springs back then too.

Did 2014 have a later freeze than this though since we had accumulating snow on 4-16-2014? Funny that 2016 had such a late freeze even though it was such a mild winter (though it did have our last below zero temp on VD.) It's very weird that 2020 had such an early last freeze and yet we had snow in May.

Interesting the GFS has Westhampton above freezing but NYC below freezing, usually FOK is much colder than Central Park.

Our latest freeze since 2020, Chris? I remember we had snow in May that year but I'm not sure how late our last freeze was. If it wasn't that year then the only other season I can think of with a very late freeze since 1996 and 2003 would be 2014 when we had accumulating snow on April 16th.....

That makes a lot of sense.

So by looking at the forecasts, Monday is going to be rainy. Clearing and colder Tuesday and Wednesday, Wednesday morning lows near freezing even in the city. Clouds come in Thursday, rain Thursday night, Friday and Saturday, Sunday cloudy but dry and the really good weather comes in for Monday and Tuesday the following week, sunny and warm, near 70.

Westhampton 111 mph sustained (cat 3 confirmed!) 156 mph gusts?

It peaked in the mid 60s here (64) before the heavy overcast moved back in. Why don't these crappy storms ever rain themselves out?

Don, parts of New York City could see some snow ?