LibertyBell

I think the reason to keep it all in one place is because it's a discussion about weather (Forky stated this earlier too.)

I think we have to designate cold and hot by something more than raw averages. I suggest using a combo of statistics including dividing the 30 year period into thirds and designating top third, middle third and bottom third. I also suggested using number of cold days (days with highs of 32 or below) just like we use hot days (days with highs of 90 or above) to rank our hottest summers. There's a huge difference between this winter and the winters I mentioned previously from this same 30 year period, so you can't just all group them together as *cold*. Just for clarity, here are the winters I'm talking about: 2000-01 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11 2013-14 2014-15 I'd add 2017-18 to this list too because of its big cold wave in January although I understand it might not rank as cold because of February (though March-early April more than made up for that.)

But this has nothing to do with climate change. We've had much colder winters in the 00s and the 10s. I don't think the climate has changed that much in the past 10 years. Sure it's changed since the 70s and 80s and maybe it's much harder to get below zero now than it used to be, but we can still have much colder winters than this even without going below zero.

Yeah I don't see a reason for anyone's feelings to get hurt about average cold or middle third cold. It doesn't mean it wasn't a cold winter, just not extremely so. Big difference between very cold and somewhat cold.

True, it's gotten closer, peak MJ was better though.

Sounds like one of those storms that backed in from the East.

and February 2015 which truly amazes me for having a single digit low on the last day of the month (almost the first day of March!) 2 fucking degrees was the record from February 2015 just a few days ago! How many single digit lows in February 2015 alone? AND WITH A LOT OF SNOW (MARCH HAD A LOT OF SNOW TOO).

Lebron or MJ? I mean, we all know it's MJ all day long..... MJ never choked in the finals.

They might be too humid or very warm and humid but if they don't have a set number of 90 degree days (24 in the case of NYC) it can't be considered a hot summer.

Alonzo isn't the polar bear, YOU are.

I would if we have a small number of 90 degree days. Based on those sites I quote from, you need 24 90 degree days to consider NYC to have had a hot summer.

I don't see a reason to argue, the statement is some people have seen winters that were much colder and consistently so. And it wasn't that long ago either. The entire 2002-03 to 2004-05 period was much colder than this. As were 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11, 2013-14, 2014-15. This winter is only cold compared to this decade not compared to previous decades.

100 degrees isn't a necessity if the heat wave is at least 7 days long, in that case longevity trumps extremes.

that puts it in the middle third of winters which is exactly where I would put it too. I used Don's since 2000-01 stat. 9th coldest out of 24 winters put it squarely in the middle third.

I like the 9th coldest the best, it puts it in the middle third of winters for cold. I have a few requirements for a truly cold winter. Below zero is nice but at the very least there need to be at least 5 days in the single digits. This season had zilch, nada, nil, zippo.

Oh I just meant any snowstorms at all in April, do you have a full list of all April events, Larry? Snowfall is very rare after April 10th, so there can't be many more to add. It's interesting about the 1996-2006 period, we also had some very cold winters in that list-- 1995-96 and 2002-03 were both very cold and snowy from beginning to end here.

Didn't we have a record temperature rise a few years ago in January when we went from 8 degrees to 58 degrees. Chris??

well 6.1 is okay lol what was total seasonal snowfall for JFK in 1986-87 if you can find it Tony?

Tony, we didn't get anything from this? 1802 - A great snowstorm raged along the New England coast producing 48 inches of snow north of Boston. Three large ships from Salem were wrecked along Cape Cod. (David Ludlum)

wow and Philly had 5 inches of snow in just one hour! 1987 - A winter storm buried the Middle Atlantic Coast Region under heavy snow. Totals ranged up to 24 inches at Lancaster PA, with 23 inches at Coatesville PA. During the height of the storm Philadelphia PA received five inches of snow in just one hour. The Washington D.C. area was blanketed with up to 15 inches of snow. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

wow -2 in February 2016 is exceptional, none of the city reporting stations were below 0 besides Central Park. Wait, was it in January 2016 or February 2016 when NYC went down to -1?

It's absolutely amazing that Montauk surrounded by water on 3 sides made it to 0 and none of the city stations did-- how often does Montauk make it to zero or below, Chris? From what I remember it's very rare for Montauk to get to either 0 or 100.

It's interesting that we had some historically cold months in the 00s (January 2004) and the 10s (February 2015) and yet we never got to below zero in those months like it was seemingly so easy to do in the mid 70s through the mid 80s. And it took a very strong el nino to do it in February 2016-- the one enso state that could not do it in the early 80s lol. Nature has a sense of humor!

January 1976 too?? Wow that wasn't even a cold winter.

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