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Updated to 6 gone, the pilot and 5 members of the same family (both parents and three children). Awful Awful news.

I've always wanted to see it, how far is that hill from where you live?

Yes it was updated to 6 perished, the 6th one was the pilot. 5 are all from one family, both parents and 3 children :-'(

Big helicopter crash in the Hudson, 6 fatalities reported!

I remember seeing these going back to my elementary school days -- it always made sense that it's colder as you go up in elevation. I didn't know anything about inversions back then lol. I think I learned inversions when our family bought a house in the mountains back when I was in middle school and then I found out that it's often colder in the valleys than it is on the mountain tops.

empire state building snow??

yeah this is why I like a direct winter to summer transition like what we usually get in winters that produce. I find that winters that have very little snowfall have cold weather dragging on into spring, where it doesn't belong. Since we didn't get a -nao in winter we're getting it now.

and around here April has been colder than March in 2020 May was snowier than most of our winter months lol

He's just lazy and doesn't bother to measure it until 7 am =\

I don't trust any of these models, even today is mostly sunny.

1894 - A heavy late season snow blanketed parts of the northeastern U.S. Heavier snowfall totals included 31.5 inches at Salem Corners PA, 30 inches at LeRoy NY, 26 inches at York PA, 14 inches at Waterbury CT, and 9 inches at Providence RI. (The Weather Channel) anything from this in NYC Tony? 9 inches at Providence should mean at least a few inches here.

we really don't need any more rain for a month. I'm sure we will have a few more dry months, especially during the summer. This is around the time it's supposed to rain.

so this +nao in winter and -nao in spring is actually a thing lol

we have more of these coming up? whatever happened to that se ridge that's supposed to be a permanent presence in our region?

Yes this has been the case at NYC more than a few times too. I've even seen the straight 10:1 ratio applied and we can't really tell if the ratio was applied to calculate the snowfall total or it actually was a 10:1 ratio (I'm suspicious of the perfect 10.0, 6.0 and 1.0 amounts I mentioned earlier.)

Nice, at Central Park this would have been recorded as 1.0 lol

Yes, the new season starts on Sunday lol

We won't be below 50 for highs again after this week.

Yes this was actually mentioned in regards to the January 2016 behemoth, it was stated that the snowfall was 20% higher than it would have been in a pre ACC world.

It maddens me that this historic storm is never mentioned as one of the all time greatest so I will keep mentioning it: February 1920, three days of heavy wintry precip, more than 1.00" LE each day for three days, 4.50" plus total LE, 17" of frozen precip, Manhattan looked like it was invaded by icebergs. The only reason it didn't cause the same or more level of destruction as March 1888 did is because the city finally decided to bury the powerlines after March 1888 happened.

There are also other factors, Ray, like high winds are not conducive to high ratios, among other factors. We can use other 2" LE storms as our guide, I've not found the ratio to be more than 12:1 in any case so I think that should be the upper bound here. What do you think of that massive three day event in February 1920 with 4.5" LE though? It was a mixed event but 17" of snow/sleet out of that is still historic and Manhattan looked like it was invaded by icebergs from the images I've seen lol.

By the way, when you do a deep dive into the greatest NYC area winter events, you learn that the top one isn't March 1888 or December 1947 or even January 2016 (which is my personal favorite snowstorm of all time), the real number one is February 1920. Based on your charts and the total LE over three days of over 4.5" LE and 1"+ LE every day for three days (the only winter storm to do this), this has to be the greatest winter storm this area has seen in recorded history. It's too bad it was a mixed event so the snowfall total was *only* 17 inches (or is that 17 inches of sleet, heh). What was the highest temperature during this storm and what percentage of it was snow?

Thanks Chris, I figured the epic February 1920 17" three inch mixed precip storm would be in this list. Is this our only frozen storm to make this list? I noticed it's the only one that happened in the winter! The one from around Thanksgiving 2018 was close to the start of met winter, was that all rain, I don't remember it at all. That three day storm from September 1944 and the three day storm from September 1938 also stick out, were they both from those two big hurricanes? Was the 4 day event at both JFK and NYC in September 1975 from some sort of tropical event? Or the 3 day event from September 1977, only 2 years later? It seems like September is the most common time for these multiday big storms to occur! I clearly remember the 3 day event in October 2005 (that was the first time I ever used a digital rain gauge, what a way to break it in!) I think in eastern Long Island that might have been even worse (up to 2 feet of rain!) It's wild that one of these 3 day storms is from July 1988, that was one of our hotter summers, I wonder what kind of storm that was? And then another one the following summer in August 1989! Was the 3 day event from August 2021 a tropical event? I remember we had a big flooding rainfall around the time of a concert in Central Park.

Strange that JFK had almost half an inch on the first day of the storm while Islip only had a trace of rainfall.

plus the winds calmed down somewhat.