LibertyBell

You'll do better but this area will likely be screwed. This is a thread the needle pattern.

It checks with what I read in the Pennsylvania Weather Book, where a number of our coldest and snowiest winters during the 1800s were during the 1830s. A couple of those winters (1832-33 and 1835-36 I think?) reportedly had continuous snow cover in NYC and Philly from Thanksgiving through St Paddy's Day and 100 inches total snowfall in both cities. And this is using the old measuring technique when snowfall was only measured at the end of the event.

Maybe they are talking about wind chills, but even so.... the idea that some are thinking of replacing reporting actual temperatures with wind chill *temperatures* is mind boggling.

I thought the Daily Planet was from Superman. Something else I have noticed is, aside from low temperatures, they are showing wind chill temperatures only. I have even heard TV weather presenters (are they actually meteorologists?) say that actual temperatures *do not matter* and that the general public should only be told what the wind chill *temperature* is.

Question, why doesn't the air ever come in a straight direction instead of taking all these weird squiggly turns and loops? If humans ever become advanced enough to modify the climate on purpose, that's the first thing I would fix.

I don't know about cross polar flow, but it sure is cold tonight, this horrible wind is really hitting me in my bones lol. Last week, TWC was saying that this air is coming from Siberia.....

The Kuril Islands are at a high latitude, do you think it could influence the climate? I guess so, if a volcano in Iceland can do it too.

it really can happen in any kind of ENSO, the blocking is what matters.

2-4 inches sounds interesting south of I-80 although it's also worth noting that the more east you go, the further south the snow shield will be,

the only other winter that came close was 02-03. And we had it with two completely opposite ENSO, but both had sustained NAO blocking.

Yup, it's Venus, tomorrow night it will be Saturn. https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/visible-planets-tonight-mars-jupiter-venus-saturn-mercury/ The waxing crescent moon will lie between brilliant Venus and Saturn about 2 hours after sunset on January 3. The moon moves closer to Saturn on January 4. Observers in parts of Africa, Europe and Greenland will see the moon occult – or pass in front of Saturn – at 17 UTC on January 4. The bright – and often called the loneliest star – Fomalhaut is nearby. Look for earthshine – that’s light reflected from Earth – on the unlit portion of the moon. They’ll set mid-to-late evening. Chart via EarthSky.

Our TV networks and even TWC certainly love to talk about it. One almost gets the feeling they're jealous because of the attention social media gets.

By the way a pretty celestial show in the SW sky right now..... the crescent moon with a very bright planet just to its right.... I think that's Venus?

What I found absolutely amazing was that some of that December snow was still around for the January blizzard. We had a white Christmas and white New Years that year, I wonder how often that's happened?

Antarctica is a desert. All that snow you see accumulated over thousands of years and never melted (especially near the South Pole.)

Didn't we have one around the same time period in 95-96 Chris? I remember an extended cold stretch that began with an MECS in December and ended with an HECS in January. Seems like December-early January cold snaps are fairly common in La Ninas but snowstorms come down to NAO blocking.

Freedom of speech has and needs guard rails. Plenty of stupid social media posters get banned for it, I know because I'm one of the ones reporting them and getting them banned.

Yes, unfortunately most casual observers pay too much attention to the OP. Wasn't the Euro more accurate when it was only run out to 7 days? Can running a model longer than 7 days also influence its accuracy in less than 7 days?

Do you think this is at least a little bit of balancing the scales since DC hasn't consistently beaten NYC in snowfall since the late 80s and maybe the last few years is a sign that might be happening again Chris?

and 2010-11 wow I had snow up to my windows that winter!

It was 2002-03 through 2015-16 we had the big HECS.

We remember 2/6/10 here, nothing could ever be as extreme as that was! a Trace in Central Park, 1.5" at JFK and here.... 6" in southern Staten Island and 2 feet in Toms River!

whatever it is, it can't be any worse than 2/6/2010 lol

Toms River is central NJ and considered the southern limit of our subforum (and the southern limit of our local TV stations.)

If you were on the south shore in the late 80s then you remember this kind of pattern lol. We would have cold dry Januarys with storms hitting DC and Baltimore and then in February they would hug or cut and areas to our north would get hit.