so_whats_happening

You kill it everytime with the stats I love it. Gotta figure out what you use to come up with those because that is really interesting.

We need those warmer subsurface waters to calm that are being pumped into Arctic or massive release of heat from those waters, which seems unlikely more of chipping away process, as well. System cant sustain something if the region it is at has to work with has also been on average 1-2C warmer.

Gotcha thanks for the little tidbit on the interactive graph and yea i have frequented that forum quite a bit to get an idea and has immensely helped.

Where do you get your area data from? and im guessing the 4.61 was from today? because last i saw it was 4.636 but yes Jaxa is hovering still right around that 4.48-4.5 region so yes that will have to be monitored. Thanks for the thoughts still trying to understand all about the arctic and its influences among many other things.

If I am seeing it right it looks like 9/9 for extent at 4.47 according to this one https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent NSIDC has 4.636 as of 9/13 with slight gains yesterday https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/ Cant seem to find a good interactive map for area or volume but im pretty sure someone posted area may have been back at the beginning of september?

Since we are getting real close now we have to ask the question do we see the large increase in extent as we have seen over the past couple of years at the beginning of the season or do we actually allow some heat to escape into the atmosphere from the ocean.

Basically the apex of summer heating up there is currently happening. Makes sense also have noticed that the Atlantic side of the arctic has been experiencing rather cool surface waters as of late is this due to the melting process that occurs or is it something else that could be causing this because on the Pacific side near chuchki(SP?) sea there are have been persistent anomalous warm waters for quite a while.

curious what causes the low around the beginning of july to not continue does it have to do with at this point most of the outer regions have melted out and you just have the core which usually maintains?

The hardest part of this is not here or in many 1st world countries that can have the opportunity to change their energy systems, its a matter of if they want to or not and then that just brings in political ideals and whether they will be able to make money off it or not. It is countries like India in particular as they are trying to become a foot hold in the world economy but do not quite have the means to sit there and give many of their citizens the basics of electricity and heating/cooling as needed. So many go to cheaper forms of energy such as oil and coal to help their needs and places like India easily rank 3rd in emissions in the global sense with China being number 2 and they have the worse emission laws out there they just do not seem to care at all. They even went as far as to say issues such as smog, which is known to be a human caused weather phenomena that happens from stagnation in the pattern, as a natural disaster. How can one sit there and say this occurs naturally when we know what its being caused by. So in esssence yes in thought it seems fairly simplified to change over to something clean but the reality is if regions are not willing to change many will also follow suit and hold the ideas of using fossil fuels. We would need to be one of the leaders in this change but we are too far gone in politics for this to occur right now. I believe India is trying to take great leaps in fixing this and honestly if a developing country is able to accomplish such a feat there is no reason the developed countries can not produce. If you go around and ask many citizens of the developed countries a good majority would say a change needs to happen but yet we continuously put ourselves back in the hole in which we are trying to dig out of. It will happen it is just a matter of when. I think if we talk anymore about stuff like this we should open a thread or DM as we are straying away from arctic sea ice talk.

Regionally yes there have been quite the dramatic temp rises, as we all know the arctic for one has been the leader in the largest anomalies. One thing though that can really shake up the warming idea is a simple volcanic eruption in mid to high latitudes, though only temporary and very variable in when it will happen, but it just goes to show how sensitive the atmospheric changes can occur and how quickly they can take place. While the release of GHG pollutants and the up tick over the past 30-40 years can certainly make the argument with a nice increase in temps I feel there is something that is taking place that we are not quite catching onto. We may be in the midst of an amplification pattern that we have not experienced before. Anomalous PDO pattern another record setting ENSO, but the el nino pattern lasting for almost 3 years with not much return to a cooler la nina pattern after the el nino. We have seen quite the heat pump to the arctic since, as someone had pointed out, 2005 time frame when things really took a hit in the Arctic. Larger meridonial flow moisture increasing temps wont decrease if we have a higher moisture content. Im still unsure about the whole idea AGW I feel it has impacted somewhat but was just a trigger to cause other things happen in as we see it a shorter time span there are just too many variables and too many uncertainties that have yet to be figured to know for certain how things will play out in the near future. We should take actions to reverse our pollution for sure but we are too uncertain of the future and predictions are just predictions to give us a better idea. Just thoughts from what I have gathered thus far.

What does this have to do with anything here? lol I mean you tell us to be nice to one another and post factual evidence yet you are calling people --> sheople. Come on with that if you want anyone to take you seriously post something validating your points other then obscure quotes.

I was just thinking that lol to me it just seems like dirty money got into some peoples pockets to put the hush factor out there or to overblow the situation. There is no denying the Earth has been warming the biggest issues have always been how much influence humans are putting on the system and in what ways that is being done. Its nice to see the back forth but it does become very much a nuissance when same things get said over and over without data properly backing things up. I personally have no climate studying besides my basic for Met classes and a 400 level undergrad class, that is why I ask some of these questions and yes I have doubts of my own but personally am not established enough to go on a full on rant about topics like climate change. I get some honk the horn a little too much and some go way over into parking lot of a baseball stadium to get their points across. Just is frustrating if we can not just get factual information out there without people always throwing their opinions based off the data when its right in front. lol

I dont get it what would be the purpose in lieing about Climate Change? Is it for funding purposes? Im not swaying one side or the other but just what would be the reason for having to change data, what would it prove?

So just by taking a quick glance while from your data being presented yes it looks as though the temps are fairly close 1940's but what seems interesting is that this temperature anomaly has been steady since what looks like 2007 timeframe.