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I have to disagree, clippers tend to occur in colder setups. Also, we JUST had snowy Marches and April's in 18 and 19, a blanket statement like that is not correct. Global warming does have an affect, but to say a clippers would be rain now in March is crazy.

Must have been cold if we had clippers, more of a dry northern stream issue. I cannot call that year a ratter. Not like the others.

Yeah it was a March storm that was good. Monthly stats in here. monthlyseasonalsnowfall (2).pdf

You know what, 89/90 had snow in March so even that was not a complete shut out after the December good look. Central Park recorded snow each month that year.

Yeah I'm just a hobbyist, however it's rare to have a complete ratter when you already had one good pattern that same winter (we struck out on a 90 mph fastball down the middle). 89/90 is the only winter I can remember that went from a good pattern to a shut out pattern the rest of the way. 97/98, 01/02, 11/12, 19/20 were all shut out looks from December 1st onwards. Also as a lot have said blocking usually returns when it presents itself in December. Can we end up with an 89/90 repeat? Sure. However it's not the norm. OT. My personal lowest was 3.5 in 97/98 all falling in March. I am stuck at 1.5 so far (CT coast all had at least a half this year), I think eclipsing 3.5 this year is a safe bet.

Lol I have always noticed that. MA and NE thread are mostly looking for positives while this board tends to be negative (speaking about snowfall) Not sure why that's the case Last year, part of the MA (Delmarva area) had a historic snowfall season, maybe that part of the forum is carrying the optimism.

Negative PNA If we have blocking we can snow with an RNA. Without blocking it gets really warm.

Of all the ratters I have experienced, this one has been the most frustrating by far (obviously 3 more months to go). Other than 89/90, I do not remember having this little luck without it being a total no chance look like the others. December had one that was a bit too warm and only half the forum scored. One was too amped, northern stream and nw of us. One was too weak and SE of us. If the 2nd storm was somewhat weaker it could have allowed the 3rd wave to amplify. Sometimes it works out and we hit on all three, sometimes one. I would still take that December look again in a heartbeat.

So LGA is the only NYC airport with accumulating snow of 0.4 Goes with the recent trend of east is best.

Almost feel lucky to be sitting at 1.5 inches on the CT coastal plain.

Your both right. It's rain to snow. IF happens would likely be snow for at least part of the forum.

LGA has 0.4 for snowfall https://nwschat.weather.gov/p.php?pid=202212121321-KOKX-NOUS41-PNSOKX

I hope it's fairly dry during this period.

Was it as good as a setup as we just went through? I kind of remember that season being extremely dry.

I remember all the hype due to the models, but did we ever have a good a setup as we just had?

Yeah this 100% feels different than the ratters of the past. 97/98, 11/12, 19/20 never had a setup like we are in/just had. The aforementioned seasons looked hopeless from minute one. Maybe 01/02 since the models constantly teased us, however again it never had the setup we just had outside of modeling. Half the forum already had a snowfall, one storm was northwest of us, the next one is going to end up Southeast of us and weak. We were stuck in the middle. I posted it before, but if December 2000 did not phase on time, if December 2010 was just a smidge east we would be in the same boat as this year. Shows how luck/timing plays in. We were spoiled for years now where it seemed like every single good setup produced. Could this be 89/90 where we actually WERE in a good pattern that did not produce much then went on to rat? It could just as easily be 12/13 and we had a spectacular finish.

Uh oh https://www.wired.com/story/climate-environment-hurricane/ El Niño Is Coming—and the World Isn’t Prepared

I feel like we were extremely spoiled since 2000, probably the same as the 50s and 60s were for great snowfall. Oh God I hope we are not in the midst of a repeat of 1970 through 1999. Terrible 30 years save 77/78, 93/94 and 95/96.

Perhaps lining up for this period. Maybe the ridge east helps us this time.

Coupled without an RNA?

Maybe seeing the beginning of the Blocking return?

Yeah, IMBY only 3 below average snowfall winters each decade, which is insane considering how poor the 70s, 80s and 90s were.

Yeah, hopefully next time it will have less influence/not be there at all. I respect Chris and I personally do not have an opinion to which is correct, but you should check out Orh Wxman and Coastal WX Mets in the New England forum. Their opinion is the PAC is what ultimately failed us. Again NOT saying which is right, just that there are multiple opinions on why we failed, and maybe it's both.

17/18 was a top 5 winter for me. 1.) Had 56 inches of snow IMBY (average 30 to 35) 2.) Had great warmth in February (I love warm weather) 3.) Had the snowiest March/April in my lifetime with 28 inches 4.) Had a good snowy December 5.) Had a monster early Jan snowstorm

I think 4.5 over/under is a good snow line for January. Not sure which I would choose ATM.