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11 inches of precip versus 9 is really not that much. I don't really think you can chalk up the lack of snow in the late 20s early 30s to dryness. It was likely just shit luck with the storm tracks being west of the region. Of course one can argue with climate change it's more likely we get these warmer storm tracks.

Its the same people

No one has said the pattern will change in November. Keep up people. Epo on the eps looks good toward end of November

Weird morning we had 26 degrees and Montourville airport had 37 degrees. That’s the reading for Williamsport. My morning low ended up being 24 and Montourville low was 30.

Looking at the bigger picture though - China still has a *long* ways go to catch up with the US in terms of their general energy mix. E.g. the biggest source by far (unlike the US) is still coal, and fossil is still 1, 2, and 3 (coal, oil, and gas) in their energy sources. People tend to highlight China's growth in renewables - but the fact is that all their energy sources - including fossil - are growing rapidly.

2009 being in there is pretty hype

And the current snow drought is WAY more impressive than that one. Maybe there weren't any 4" snows, but there were certainly more 1" snows. NYC has seen ~50% less snowfall over the last 3 years than it did from 1930-1932. Even the 3-year period from 2022-2024 saw a little more than 10% less than 1930-32. Note the 1869 value shown below is for 1 year only.

The entire premise is incorrect. There was plenty of climate change back then. CO2 concentrations were already up to 310 ppm by the early 1930s, compared to a pre-industrial mean of 270-280 ppm. And methane was already up to ~1100 ppb, from 700 ppb pre-industrial average. CO2 follows a logarithmic curve, so the amount of warming from the early/mid 19th century to the 1930s would be about the same amount of warming that has occurred since 2000 - actually more significant when you factor in methane concentrations. There is nothing in the history of New York City to suggest that the snow drought during that period would have occurred in the absence of human caused warming.

Warm up out ahead of the continental crash ... right on schedule. Question is, how much so. The amplitude can vary on that. But just in principle, it's not unexpected. The climatology for going from +(WPO/EPO) --> -(WPO/EPO) causes a large scale 'seesaw' down stream over N/A. Heights first crash down the spine of the Rockies ~ latitudes in response to upstream initial ridge blossoming. Some of which is non-linear - which means forcing you cannot see ( longer popsicle headache). But that initial reconstruction is not a stable wave structure at large scales. Eventually the wave length opens up and the eastern end of the -(WPO/-EPO) ... becomes more neutral EPO/+PNA... and the cold then floods throughout Canada, spilling in either a big course load, or a series of dumps into the NP-Lakes-NE... This all trengthens the b-c ambience from Colorado to the M/A, whence winter storms form... Hint: the WPO remains in negative ... that's your seed for reloads. Or not...sometimes all of this is a one time deal. Sometimes you get Feb 2015's of 1977s at the other end and more persistence. Anyway, this is probably what's always caused the Indian Summers throughout history. It's probably what caused the January thaws, too. But they are not sustainable; the above described typical progression of events elucidates why those kinds of 'intermission warmups' prove transient. You know, ... it's all a bit like tsunamis behavior. First the shore water retreats seaward, aka Indian Summers ... January thaws... etc, then it comes surging back and over compensates in the other direction: winter expresses.

I see far more hyped winter videos than I do CC propaganda online.

Wow didn't realize the late 20s early 30s sucked that badly for snow in nyc. I wonder if at that time there were doomers like bluewave saying the mean may permanently change to 15" per year lol.

From Meteorologist Mike Masco... FWIW FULL BLOCK SETTING UP AS WE HEAD INTO DECEMBER? The latest European weekly run is flashing a very intriguing signal: a robust ridge building along the West Coast, arcing through Alaska, and extending all the way toward Greenland. That kind of alignment is classic high-latitude blocking, and it typically forces the entire jet stream to buckle south. When that happens, colder air is free to spill into the eastern half of the U.S. while storm systems ride along a more energized southern branch. What’s even more interesting is the early suggestion of a Southeast ridge trying to flex at times. That feature can act as a pivot point—sometimes enhancing moisture return, sometimes redirecting storm tracks, and occasionally helping to “trap” systems along the East Coast. It’s the kind of tug-of-war setup that can produce some very dynamic nor’easter development if timing lines up. Not to sound cliché because it feels like we say this every year… but based on the weeklies, this is legitimately one of the strongest early-season pattern setups I’ve seen at this range. If the blocking verifies, December could open with a bang. I'll mention this a little on PIX 11 News Morning Show between 7-10am and over the weekend.

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sounds solid brother. Unfortunately its not always that way. New managers come in and wanna show their testicular fortitude. when they try and make guys look bad, I am always pleased to show them they're wrong. LOL last month i was called in about to get written up because i called a manager out. He was smiling until i dropped the company policy book on the table and said where is the section that says this is for hourly employees only? HR guy looked funny and said that book is for everyone ended up back firing on the new manager and he got a verbal warning for breaking policy. The young fella's master degree didn't help him with that battle. I'm for the people

Absolutely.

This is true. Even when I lived in Mass in the”winters of yore” we didn’t really have any meaningful snow until December. Hell, significant November snow is not that common even up here if you go to lower elevations like North Conway or Littleton. I think it’s nice to see the progression, anecdotally it bodes well for winter, but the expectations have to be managed. Chances are even we won’t have a continuous snow pack in the valley, we’ll probably lose it all in an upcoming storm and then rebuild it. Such is life.

I do love palm trees, admittedly. I’ll be in Dominica for Thanksgiving so I’ll get some palm trees no matter what lol

Stopped snowing.

Sounds like the end of the world people that go over the top with Global Warming as well that we read a new headline daily about how we are all going to die. It goes both ways. Both do equal damage. It would be nice to come into this thread without the crappy forecasters being posted in here and also the end of the world crap not being posted in here. By posting here you all are boosting them, lol. If you have a problem, ignore them or reply to them in their youtube or X comments. We don't need the crap in here.

so far... rain may be a factor and wind... next wind event for us Sunday afternoon.... another marginal advisory situation... looks like G40-50 MPH.

Nah…I mean it’s November for god sakes. Same shit every year. It’s not supposed to snow here at thanksgiving 95% of time. Give it f’n chance..if December blows. You can claim victory.

Going to be hard to avoid warmth Thanksgiving week, GFS ushers in the cold a bit quicker just after Thanksgiving..

sort descending. 2024-2025 0 0 2023-2024 0 0 2022-2023 0 0 2021-2022 2 0 2020-2021 4 0 2019-2020 0 0 2018-2019 2 0 2017-2018 5 0 2016-2017 3 0 2015-2016 1 0 2014-2015 6 0 2013-2014 5 0 2012-2013 4 0 2011-2012 1 0 2010-2011 6 0 2009-2010 5 0 How far beyond the record will we go. 1415 days? 1430? More? Time will tell.

I don't really care about NYC, but places that are close by this isn't the case, so they are more the exception to this "record." Dec 20/21st last year and 1/19/25 multiple places close to the city had over 4" of snow. Even with a bit of warming, it has been more bad luck. Warmer places in SNJ got over 4" 2x last winter as well. The last page back, where NYC snow totals through history were posted for NYC, from 1970-2002 there were only 4 winters over 30". Then 2002/03 to now, 12! Some people's minds I think got totally warped thinking we live in a snowy place.