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What the hell is going on in here? There’s actual weather to track and this is the discussion…

Densely packed cities are best for the environment. The light pollution argument is ridiculous. Most people have curtains and suburbs have street lights too. as for noise pollution that is a different story, but most people who live in the city are not impacted

Elevation is cheating yes.

For the coastal plain/piedmont that is true. At my location in extreme NW NC at 4000 feet, we have had many above normal snow years in warm winters. We average at least 45 inches and approximately 80 percent of that comes from upslope. We have never had a winter without at least 20 inches of snow here mostly due to the reliability of upslope even in total dud winters.

Nice steady rain...

you're right no point in arguing about something so obvious. please do tell us next that ultraprocessed food is fine too.

if it doesn't affect you of course you don't care. the attitude of the typical American

nope, it was a typo (a difference of two letters is a typo), take your asinine attitude elsewhere or you will be introduced to an avalanche of studies, here's another one https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp935

Yup. I'm dying in urban hell. Anyway, I'm done here.

I haven't seen one bad winter outlook yet for the east coast. Hopefully that holds.

the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of limiting both noise AND light pollution.

Um, you mistook melanin for melatonin. Please. No point in arguing with you.

my sympathy for you living in Brooklyn, I grew up there, you can't even see 20 stars from there at night.

And there are studies that show that there are benefits as well, but yeah, not getting into that here. Already off topic.

you are a sample size of one, so no, you're not evidence of anything. and we're not talking about suburban life either, there's way too much light and noise pollution in suburban environments too. we're talking about living in an area devoid of wasteful night time lights and noise. this is why cities like Flagstaff are shutting down their lights, there is no benefit to having street lights on at night pointing up at the sky. If you care or knew anything about science you'd know that already

yeah that was a typo on my part, and yes there is evidence on multiple levels that living in a densely packed area is awful for both mental AND physical health

https://theconversation.com/harvard-study-strengthens-link-between-breast-cancer-risk-and-light-exposure-at-night-75171 It states breast cancer but the original Harvard study mentions endocrine cancers and also includes higher prostate cancer with higher levels of light pollution A study from Harvard has found greater risk of breast cancer in women who live in neighborhoods that have higher levels of outdoor light during the night. The findings are based on the Nurses’ Health Study (NHS), which has for decades been advancing our understanding of risks to women’s health. For this study, epidemiologist Peter James and colleagues followed nurses in the NHS for breast cancer occurrence from 1989 to 2013. The home of each of 109,672 nurses was geocoded, and the average light level in the immediate neighborhood at night was estimated from satellite images taken by the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program. These estimates were updated over the 15-year follow-up period. By 2013, a total of 3,549 new cases of breast cancer had been diagnosed, about what’s expected among this number of women. The study found a direct relationship between a woman’s neighborhood nighttime light level before diagnosis and her later risk of developing breast cancer: The higher the light level, the higher the risk. These findings held even when taking into account many other factors that may also affect risk such as age, number of children, weight, use of hormone medications and a long list of additional potential confounders. Of importance if confirmed in more studies, the relationship was strongest in young women diagnosed before menopause. James also conducted many further subgroup analyses after the primary objective of the study had been verified; these subgroup findings may or not be seen in future studies. Two that stood out are that the association was confined to current and former smokers, and nurses with a history of night work. The study is significant because it adds a strong piece of evidence to the growing body of studies supporting the idea that excessive electric light exposure at night increases a woman’s risk of breast cancer.

The further north you go, the lower the dews on everything

And no, studies don't prove things. That's not how that works, lol. And regardless, I'm pretty sure you mean melatonin, and not melanin, lmao. Ok, I'm done talking science here.

The mental health aspect is totally dependent. I hate suburban life. And yeah, there is more to environmental impact than noise pollution.

it really should have stayed that way, I find the parks near Bayside absolutely gorgeous.

oh nice both light and noise pollution studies are from Harvard lol

you can post the study on light pollution and cancer too.

thats correct and light pollution too, a Harvard study proved it increases the risk of developing cancer 30-50% as much as an unhealthy diet does. It's because light pollution blocks the release of melatonin