chubbs Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 CERES net radiation continues to increase off the El Nino bottom set in late summer 2024. The last net radiation peak occurred in January 2023, as the 3-year nina came to an end. With growing signs of a shift from nina to nino conditions another peak is probably developing this winter. If so the next net radiation peak will be well below Jan 2023 levels and more in-line with winter of 21/22 and other recent nina peaks since 2008. Indicates that a portion of the unusually high peak in winter2022/2023 was enso-related. In-any-case the current radiation imbalance would support a rise in global temperatures to record levels if moderate/strong nino conditions develop as forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted Tuesday at 08:30 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:30 PM https://phys.org/news/2026-02-january-hottest-cold-snap-eu.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfStock1 Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago On 2/10/2026 at 3:30 PM, Typhoon Tip said: https://phys.org/news/2026-02-january-hottest-cold-snap-eu.html So here's a question. Given that "the planet" is generally a self-contained system with very little (essentially no) variance in externalities with regards to energy inputs (mainly solar irradiance - generally near-constant) and output (terrestrial radiation - generally near-constant) - shouldn't the warming of the planet just be essentially a straight (or curved) line with an always-upwards slope, such that a new record should be set *every* year? Or is it the case that it's really just these records are just really just referring to "the places we are measuring" and not "the planet" as a whole? Yes - question is somewhat rhetorical, but is intended to trigger some thought. If one presumes that the planet as a whole is warming continually, then what are the "holes" in the data? Are there significant areas of the ocean for instance that we're just not measuring, and the reason we don't see a new record every year is because of the non-existent data that would offset the data we do have? Or perhaps is it the case that we are in fact measuring the whole "surface" (including the oceans), but the surface temperature as a whole actually does go up and down based on something - e.g. subterranean effects e.g. "bubbles" in mantle convection, or perhaps solar cycles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 13 hours ago, WolfStock1 said: So here's a question. Given that "the planet" is generally a self-contained system with very little (essentially no) variance in externalities with regards to energy inputs (mainly solar irradiance - generally near-constant) and output (terrestrial radiation - generally near-constant) - shouldn't the warming of the planet just be essentially a straight (or curved) line with an always-upwards slope, such that a new record should be set *every* year? Or is it the case that it's really just these records are just really just referring to "the places we are measuring" and not "the planet" as a whole? Yes - question is somewhat rhetorical, but is intended to trigger some thought. If one presumes that the planet as a whole is warming continually, then what are the "holes" in the data? Are there significant areas of the ocean for instance that we're just not measuring, and the reason we don't see a new record every year is because of the non-existent data that would offset the data we do have? Or perhaps is it the case that we are in fact measuring the whole "surface" (including the oceans), but the surface temperature as a whole actually does go up and down based on something - e.g. subterranean effects e.g. "bubbles" in mantle convection, or perhaps solar cycles? The earth's output is not constant. Instead It is modulated by ENSO. More radiation out during El Nino when the atmosphere is relatively warm and less during La Nina when the atmosphere is cool. Similarly the global surface temperature is modulated by ENSO, the earth's surface is warmer during el nino. Note that the climate system is dominated by the ocean and the rise in ocean temperature is steadier than the global surface temperature. There is also some variation in solar output over the 11-year solar cycle. If you take an 11-year average of global surface temperatures (below) most of the enso and solar variability is removed. Leaving mainly man-made forcing and a small volcano contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, chubbs said: The earth's output is not constant. Instead It is modulated by ENSO. More radiation out during El Nino when the atmosphere is relatively warm and less during La Nina when the atmosphere is cool. Similarly the global surface temperature is modulated by ENSO, the earth's surface is warmer during el nino. Note that the climate system is dominated by the ocean and the rise in ocean temperature is steadier than the global surface temperature. There is also some variation in solar output over the 11-year solar cycle. If you take an 11-year average of global surface temperatures (below) most of the enso and solar variability is removed. Leaving mainly man-made forcing and a small volcano contribution. This suggests ~0.20/decade 1980-2000 and ~0.24/decade 2000-2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Great charts showing how much smaller the geographic footprint and magnitude of these Arctic arctic outbreaks have become relative to the areas of record warmth. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/uspa/warm-cold/0 Climatologist49 @climatologist49.bsky.social Follow The Dec-Jan period was the 7th warmest for the Contiguous U.S. since 1940. 21.1% had the warmest Dec-Jan during that period. 0.0% had the coldest Dec-Jan; 0.0% had the 2nd coldest, 0.0% had the 3rd coldest, .... all the way thru the 13th coldest. 9:32 PM · Feb 4, 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Great charts showing how much smaller the geographic footprint and magnitude of these Arctic arctic outbreaks have become relative to the areas of record warmth. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/uspa/warm-cold/0 Climatologist49 @climatologist49.bsky.social Follow The Dec-Jan period was the 7th warmest for the Contiguous U.S. since 1940. 21.1% had the warmest Dec-Jan during that period. 0.0% had the coldest Dec-Jan; 0.0% had the 2nd coldest, 0.0% had the 3rd coldest, .... all the way thru the 13th coldest. 9:32 PM · Feb 4, A better representation of the SE US to minimize the warming effects of UHI as well as warming from increased traffic on airport runways (big problem at ATL for example) would be to use a rural station like the far N GA small town of Blairsville, GA, which has a pretty long record (back to 1931): Per my counting (hoping I didn’t miscount…if I did it should be only minimally off): Since 2020 including ties, it has had 24 different days with record highs and 7 days with record lows. Since 2010, 65 with highs and 25 with lows Since 2000: 87 with highs and 42 with lows So, of course GW is real. But large cities’ records often cause an exaggeration of the degree of warming. So, it’s important to separate out UHI/airport effects as much as possible.—————— Daily records from here: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=ffc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, bluewave said: Great charts showing how much smaller the geographic footprint and magnitude of these Arctic arctic outbreaks have become relative to the areas of record warmth. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/uspa/warm-cold/0 ... Climatologist49 @climatologist49.bsky.social Follow The Dec-Jan period was the 7th warmest for the Contiguous U.S. since 1940. 21.1% had the warmest Dec-Jan during that period. 0.0% had the coldest Dec-Jan; 0.0% had the 2nd coldest, 0.0% had the 3rd coldest, .... all the way thru the 13th coldest. 9:32 PM · Feb 4, This is all great info ... I'll just add that it is annoying at time to wonder if the general zeitgeist of denialism hasn't been enabled. If you look at this site, https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/ and cursory start going back month after month ... large numbers of them emerge that feature a region of cooler anomaly, either occurring right smack in the midst of one of human society's greatest contributing Industrial anuses ... or, near enough by to wonder if the sensibility was touched. We are not registering the big heat of CC like other places. We've had some memorable heat waves...yeah. But they rarer comparative to frequencies elsewhere. Our low temperatures are in particular, more notable in that regards spanning much of the GL/OV/MA/NE/SE Canadian region. That's obviously and intuitively related to WV increases ... but given the perennial circulation modal constraints, as the Pac flow moves across North America's topography, our experience is preordained. Well fuck if I can't make my point... I just happened to check and NASA just finished tabulating the January numbers and there it is again. The festering cold holes collocated with policy making-villes of the world ...and on and on and on we go - I just wonder/feel at times if what is needed is not having these blind the Idiocrasy from sensing the reality. Because this bias might be doping the minds of the general civility. Otherwise, maybe human kind will register the direly needed renaissance in their thinking about this issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 11 minutes ago Share Posted 11 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Typhoon Tip said: Because this bias might be doping the minds of the general civility. Otherwise, maybe human kind will register the direly needed renaissance in their thinking about this issue I think it’s more a function of human nature and our evolution that the warming planet doesn’t really get as much attention as other issues do. We evolved during ice ages that were tremendously challenging to just survive without the modern amenities we have today. So on a deeper level a warming climate is welcomed even though it is leading to a new set of challenges. Most of the migration within the United States is from colder locations to the warmer sunbelt locations from Arizona to Texas and Florida. So it’s natural when we have a very cold 16 day period for most of the attention to be focused on cold since we have normalized all the record warmth in recent years. The cold stands out much more even though the magnitude, duration, and geographic footprint has been getting smaller over time. I also believe on a greater level most people outside this forum don’t like the cold and snow during winter. So many people are happy that we are in a warming climate rather than a cooling climate heading into an ice age. But this misses the long term challenges of the destabilizing effects of more extreme weather leading to migration shifts from areas which become difficult to survive in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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