Jump to content
  • Member Statistics

    17,508
    Total Members
    7,904
    Most Online
    joxey
    Newest Member
    joxey
    Joined

OK / AR / KS / MO Winter 2013-2014


okie333

Recommended Posts

The massive storm on Feb 25-27 looks to pretty much cover half of the US...crazy!!! It has been consistently shown on the GFS. Not to mention how cold the plain states could get....Winter is not over!

Personally I'd like to see the entire thing get setup like the blizzard last year instead of a giant severe weather maker. It has been on the GFS but it has not been moving forward.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 4.9k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

mcd0118.gif

MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0118

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0126 PM CST WED FEB 15 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...N-CNTRL/NERN OK...FAR S-CNTRL/SERN KS

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH UNLIKELY

VALID 151926Z - 152100Z

A BRIEF WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY WILL EXIST FOR A FEW SURFACE BASED

THUNDERSTORMS DURING THE AFTERNOON OVER PORTIONS OF N-CNTRL/NERN OK

AND FAR S-CNTRL/SERN KS. MARGINALLY SVR HAIL WILL BE POSSIBLE...BUT

A WW IS UNLIKELY.

AT 19Z...SUBJECTIVE SURFACE ANALYSIS SHOWS AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE

OVER NWRN/N-CNTRL OK...WITH AN OCCLUDED FRONT EXTENDING SWD FROM THE

LOW ACROSS CNTRL OK INTO NRN TX. SURFACE WINDS W OF THE OCCLUDED

FRONT HAVE ACCELERATED OUT OF THE W AS THE BOUNDARY LAYER BECOMES

WELL MIXED BENEATH A MIDLEVEL VORT LOBE ADVANCING EWD ACROSS WRN OK.

MEANWHILE...LOW 50S SURFACE DEWPOINTS ARE ADVECTING NWD INTO N-CNTRL

OK IMMEDIATELY E OF THE OCCLUDED FRONT. TRANSITION ZONE BETWEEN

STRONGER SURFACE HEATING OVER WRN OK AND MOISTENING OVER

CNTRL/N-CNTRL OK WILL CONTINUE TO AID IN DESTABILIZATION WITH SBCAPE

VALUES UP TO 500 J/KG POSSIBLE BY MID AFTERNOON. THIS MAY FAVOR

ISOLATED SURFACE BASED THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT AS CONVERGENCE ALONG

THE FRONT INCREASES DURING THE NEXT FEW HRS. MIDLEVEL SWLY FLOW AOA

50 KT IS CONTRIBUTING TOWARD STRONG DEEP-LAYER VERTICAL WIND SHEAR

/I.E. 0-6 KM BULK WIND DIFFERENCE EXCEEDING 70 KT/...WHICH WILL

FAVOR ORGANIZED LOW-TOPPED THUNDERSTORMS. THE STRONG SHEAR COMBINED

WITH MIDLEVEL LAPSE RATES AOA 7 C/KM SUGGESTS STRONGER CORES MAY

POSE A THREAT FOR MARGINALLY SVR HAIL. HOWEVER...SIGNIFICANT

LIMITING FACTOR FOR GREATER SVR WEATHER THREAT WILL BE TENDENCY FOR

STORMS TO ENCOUNTER COOL/STABLE AIRMASS E OF THE FRONT /WHICH MAY

LIMIT STORM PERSISTENCE AND STRENGTH/...WHERE LOW CLOUDS HAVE BEEN

SLOW TO ERODE.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

One thing I noticed on the 12z models today, both the Euro and GFS were building ridging into Canada/Alaska at 240 and dropping a system into the west. This fits with the big storm somewhere over the central US thinking that has been showing up on the GFS from time to time. Todays location was over NE Colorado.

usapcpprstmp2m264z.gif

This ridging should force colder air into the west and central US but it's unsure exactly where or how far. Here's the ridging on the GFS:

canprmslmsl240d.gif

And the EURO:

canprmslmsl240.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Finally some confluence/consolidation of the models regarding this mid-range system, seems the GFS was the only one on the train for what seemed like an eternity.

Pretty damn remarkable agreement between the Euro/GFS there for the SLP, I've seen less agreement <24 hrs out let alone 240...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

.PREV DISCUSSION... /ISSUED 407 AM CST FRI FEB 17 2012

FROM TULSA

DISCUSSION...

AN UPPER LOW OVER NORTHERN MEXICO WILL MOVE EAST INTO TEXAS AND

WEAKEN OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS. A WEAK SURFACE REFLECTION WILL

DEVELOP OFF THE SOUTHEAST TEXAS COAST AND MOVE NORTHEAST INTO

LOUISIANA BY SATURDAY EVENING. AS IS TYPICALLY THE CASE WITH THESE

UPPER LOWS TRACKING TO OUR SOUTH...THE PRECIPITATION FORECAST IS

RATHER TRICKY ACROSS OUR FORECAST AREA. THE 00Z NAM WAS MUCH

FURTHER NORTH WITH RAIN SATURDAY THAN THE OTHER MODELS BUT THE 06Z

RUN HAS COME INTO BETTER AGREEMENT. THIS AT LEAST ADDS A LITTLE

BIT OF CONFIDENCE TO THE FORECAST.

WILL BEGIN LOW POPS ACROSS FAR SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA TODAY BUT THE

BETTER RAIN CHANCES WILL COME TONIGHT INTO SATURDAY EVENING. THE

HIGHEST RAIN CHANCES IN NORTHEAST OKLAHOMA WILL BE TONIGHT AS A

WEAK SURFACE BOUNDARY DROPS INTO THE AREA. SOME DRIER AIR WILL

FILTER SOUTH INTO NORTHEAST OKLAHOMA SATURDAY WHICH WILL KEEP MOST

OF THE RAIN SATURDAY AND SATURDAY EVENING CONFINED TO SOUTHEAST

OKLAHOMA AND NORTHWEST ARKANSAS. RAIN AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED TO BE

LIGHT...WITH MOST PLACES RECEIVING LESS THAN A QUARTER INCH OF RAIN.

ANOTHER SYSTEM WILL MOVE ACROSS THE AREA MONDAY NIGHT BRINGING A

CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND PERHAPS A FEW ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS. YET

ANOTHER FAST MOVING SYSTEM WILL AFFECT THE AREA WEDNESDAY BUT

THERE WILL BE LITTLE CHANCE FOR MOISTURE RETURN WITH THIS SYSTEM

SO WILL JUST SEE AN INCREASE IN MID LEVEL CLOUDINESS WEDNESDAY.

TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN FAIRLY MILD FOR MOST OF THE NEXT WEEK BUT

BIG CHANGES MAY BE LOOMING BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH. COLD

ARCTIC AIR WILL START TO FILTER DOWN INTO THE NORTHERN U.S. BY THE

END OF NEXT WEEK AND WILL OOZE ITS WAY SOUTH NEXT WEEKEND INTO THE

EARLY PART OF THE FOLLOWING WEEK. AT THE SAME TIME....SOUTHWEST

FLOW ALOFT WILL DEVELOP SO IF THE TIMING OF THE COLDER AIR CAN

COINCIDE WITH ANY IMPULSES MOVING ACROSS IN THE SOUTHWEST UPPER

FLOW PATTERN WE MAY FINALLY SEE A TASTE OF WINTER WEATHER AT SOME

POINT. THIS IS WELL BEYOND THE RANGE OF THIS FORECAST HOWEVER BUT

IT IS SOMETHING TO BEAR WATCHING OVER THE NEXT WEEK TO TEN DAYS.

STAYED CLOSE TO GUIDANCE TEMPERATURES THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS BUT

WENT A BIT COLDER FOR LOWS SUNDAY MORNING PER THE UKMET AND ECMWF.

&&

.TSA WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...

OK...NONE.

AR...NONE.

&&

$$

AVIATION...06

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12z GFS still continues to advertise the cold air in the longer range and a big system in the west that will induce southwest flow aloft which will bring periodic chances for frozen precip north of the cold air. The GFS is indicating that most of the precip would fall as sleet or freezing rain north of the front.

usapcpprstmp2m264i.gif

This run it indicates that the system will stay in the west until around hour 300 when it pulls out and most of this would be sleet/freezing rain as well.

usapcpprstmp2m300h.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12z Euro is out.. here comes the cold.

Strong surface low is trying to form over NE Colorado on this run at 216.

usatmp850mb216v.gif

By 240, there is a strong surface low that has moved to SW Minnesota with cold air pouring in behind the system There would probably be severe weather for our area.

usatmp850mb240a.gif

At 240 there is a large trough in the west like the GFS, only the Euro is stronger.

usahgt500mb240k.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Looks like another powerful vort-max/impulse developing behind the lead wave at the end of the Euro's run. Not to mention that this would probably be a serious winter storm for the Northern Plains/Upper Midwest.

Yep, it's still 9-10 days out though, actually moving closer now. I'm not sure about the Euro depiction as the cold air will be surging south probably quicker than it thinks which may lead to cyclogenesis farther south as well. That is, if it doesn't come out in multiple smaller waves.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So are you all thinking the 27th-4th of March could be a severe weather maker for our area or just one system would be? I was really hoping this would be our winter weather storm.

It could go either way... or both ways. Hard to tell and highly depends on the speed of the cold air and if the system comes out in pieces or all at once.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Almost forgot, for anyone in the KOAM/KFJX viewing area. (Joplinmet's stations) In a week or two you will notice new graphics and a new radar system. They thought they should upgrade since our area gets a lot of severe weather. Joplinmet is pretty excited about it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...