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I think the high North of that would be your blocking high with the low you're ralking about acting as the 50/50 low, though it would be better a bit South of there. The high over Maine is the cold air source. One would think the Missouri low would be a bit South of there, or at least push SE from there with the high, though I think we want a high in the 1040 range and the low over LA instead. That particular look (though obviously fantasy at this range) looks to put most of us in the warm sector looking for ZR if anything. IDK, maybe Grit or Wow or someone better than me could chime in?

Yep. Hard to track worms and storms, but I don't think I have ever seen that storm myth pan out.

BTW, I think this is a total myth and there's nothing to it, but thought some of you would appreciate that I saw a woolly worm today. It was black on both ends but sold brown in the middle half. Cold in Nov and cold Feb following warm Dec/Jan?

I think we need that western ridge a little taller and a few hundred miles further west to help dig that low just a bit more. Also, like to see the high hang back a few hundred miles, more in tandem (just ahead of) with the low (maybe back in MIZZ). Actually this would be excellent placement if we had a secondary high back north of the low. This looks in danger of getting pushed out unless that's a 50/50 low in the corner to help keep it anchored. It's also telling that a 1043 is that close yet the 540 bar is barely below. Haven't looked at temps but that tells me it's pretty marginal cold. Awesome to have something at least showing up within the ten day. This will change a hundred times so let's see if we can get this potential to show up inside 5 days.

When clown maps no longer have any pink on them...

Good grief That would cause some major problems. At this point I'll take dry over cold.

Here are the January highs and lows for GSP from 2012 (you know, "the worst winter ever"). Some ups and downs but really not that bad. Had a couple of bona fide cold fronts. Actually felt like Jan for a good bit, just no snow. It'll be intersting to see how this Jan compares. an 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 Max Avg Min 56 51.3 46 66 54.7 36 47 35.8 25 56 40.8 25 48 39.7 31 49 40.0 36 48 40.1 34 44 33.5 21 35 26.4 15 32 26.3 24 33 29.3 27 35 26.4 18 38 28.8 20 40 27.6 15 50 36.4 26 53 40.0 29 43 38.1 35 47 39.9 36 60 45.0 34 50 41.9 32 44 36.3 29 41 30.8 25 47 33.3 22 48 37.5 30 39 35.8 31 51 41.0 34 50 37.9 28 57 43.1 32 64 45.5 27 72 56.1 43 51 44.5 41

Good to see, keeping my fingers crossed. It's funny though, even though I know February can be a geat Winter month, I've been so jaded by the past few that I have no confidence it will be anything other than Spring. May Februrary 2020 be the one to restore the confidence!

Yeah, this pattern has been in control for awhile now. Very active STJ farther north bringing endless rain systems through the SE, basically serving as a semi-permanant SER and keeping all cold in the central US and northern Rockies parts of the CONUS. The same patterns are responsible for both the overabundance of rain and total lack of cold. The last two years in particular have been excruciatingly rainy; over 135 inches for me, and more than 200 inches for many mountain locations. This year seems to be starting the same way. The good news is, patterns can't last forever. Maybe we get a change soon, maybe not. But we're very unlikely to get much frozen with the current pattern.

Would indeed. It looks like a system from the 80s or 90s. We're now in the 20s...

One would think that eventually, just on the laws of probability and statistics, or even just "chance" we could get some legitimate winter time with the indeces in our favor. It seems like the patterns we want are just out of step right now. Maybe in a few years the timing will have changed a bit and we'll start to see them (especially -NOA) better aling with winter instead of summer?

And should have been about 24-0. Just being honest here, but I'd take a few snowless winters if that were to happen. That stinkin team has had enough time in the sun; it's time for somebody else, ANYBODY ELSE, to hold the horseshoe (and clover, and rabbit's foot, and ...)! Only problem is, if I pull for LSU then Clemson will win; everybody I pull for either stinks to begin with or stinks it up when I pull for them.

What "dry cold"? The forecast for late next week/weekend shows 60s/40s with showers. TWC shows a cool down starting on the 6th but its only down to low 50s/mid 30s; still above average. Now we are to the point where a cold front doesn't even get us to average. I guess some of us need to face the reality that being able to expect a small snowfall or two each year is a thing of the past. Maybe once every other year or few years we can expect all the stars to align to get a couple of sloppy inches, but yearly snow may not be a reality anymore for many. GSP is the new CAE, which is the new CHS.

Wow. Winter just doesn't come to the east anymore. Have to move to the upper midwest/northern rockies.

Not much to to look forward to at this point, I'm punting the first half of Jan I guess, and I don't get too many punts after that or its over. GSP has only had 12 freezes so far; 12, with none showing over the next 15 days! The only difference b/w last year and this so far is there was no early Dec snow. We really need something good to happen next month.

Well I can say it's been nice not having an all out torch for this December; generally at or just below normal, and the last few days/nights have been nice and cool. However, aside from that, it's been about the most boring December weather ever! Nothing cold for December, and not even a threat of frozen for many. What does it take to get a winter pattern and frozen precip around here??? Oh look, inches of rain incoming; oh boy how exciting...

Wow, can somebody turn off the faucet please! This incessant rain is obnoxious.

After last night, SC and FL now the only two states in the continental US that has not seen snow yet. Winter is SOOO pathetic here. Nothing on the horizon for us either; this Friday system could spit a little ice North of 11 and east of Cleveland but that's nothing. My only straw to grasp at is at least we're colder than CAE.

So nice to see some possibilities showing up on the models, even if they're total clowns. As usual, they disapper as time gets closer. I've noticed that pretty much everything fantasy modeled for the upstate (excepting the crazy GFS) is zr, not snow. Will this be a zr year? I hope not but we're probably due. Regardless, it kinda feels like this is going to be an I-40 north winter for any snow. Somehow I can see that area (and mtns of course) having a really good season with the I-85 crowd being skunked.

Wow what a cutoff! Mack is in the 18th century, I'm cleaing up some limbs, and Burrell has a wet deck.

https://www.wyff4.com/article/watch-john-cessarich-on-his-1st-day-and-last-day-at-wyff-news-4/30022821 Pretty cool. His first forecast was back with Carl Clark and Annete Estes. Carol (Anderson) was a field reporter then. Man, look at that background, not even a pic or anything.

As a USC fan its sickening. And the fact that it's not surprising at all is even more sickening. The situation down there is a total mess and it never gets any better. They spend WAAAY too much money to not have a better product. I can't believe there's never been more accountability over the years for how poor the program has been compared to the investment.

Last couple of days wyff has headlines stating "bitter cold", and Greenville Online has one saying "extreme cold." Sorry but that is just silly. Below normal? Yes. But highs in the 40s and lows in mid 20s is not unusual even for the upstate in Nov. LOL at the hyperbolic language, other people around the country would be like ,"what cold."

CNN Headlines: Next Week's Weather to be Cooler Summit on Global Warming to Declare No Cold Records to be Broken Ever Again!