The problem is, especially with the GFS is, it shows extremely cold air at long lead times (8-10) days, and actually only verifies at about normal. Normal temps aren’t going to get us snow, and when models show a torch at 8-10 days out, it almost always verifies correctly.The inicies are showing favorable positions for cold and snowy, like -NAO, only to correct to positive at verification time. It’s pretty sad look over all for winter weather lovers! The mountains and ski resorts can’t even make snow the last 3-4 days, it just sucks