weatherpruf

For sure, there is nothing redeeming about ice storms. They are evil. Not fun to sit through, dangerous to go out in, and cause power outages that can result in basement floods. I like snow, but I'll take a snowless winter in the 40' and 50's to avoid an ice storm. I am hoping the guidance changes over the week. Right now, things just don't seem to be swinging our way with snowstorms.

Then there was a 50+ degree rainstorm that washed all that snow off the ice, clogging street drains and causing flooding. It was a horrific period, and no one was ready for it.

And something we can all do without. That 94 event was devastating and people were killed. Snow is kinda fun, ice storms are in the category of natural disasters. No thanks.

Got about 6 inches and was lucky to see even that.

When was this? If it's the one I remember, it was about 14 inches, didn't snow in AC, and kinda wasn't expected to be that bad...

Now that really is getting into 2/6/10 territory....

At our expense? Not that it means much ATM

Right. let's see if we can get an accumulating snow event of 4-8 inches, no? Cause we haven't seen even that since Nov...18+ storms just ain't common in my backyard. though if it's gonna happen this is the time of the year.

From my perspective, just seeing some storms getting together shows we have some potential to get hit with something. ( rain and ice storms don't count! ) Whether it's a snow or sleet event, or a mixed one with a nice thump, we'll see. But ya gotta have some systems that aren't all rain coming along; maybe we're starting to see that with the changing pattern. I'll leave the rest up to the experts here....

No, but if IIRC the weather service kinda had us in the milder zone, no?

Not really, that storm delivered to well within CNJ. This one doesn't look to get past SNJ. There have been a number of storms over the years in the past that were SNJ and nothing here. Since this storm was never really a threat here, meh. On 2/6/10, I was teased with 3 inches. Now that kinda sucked, knowing 30 mins down the turnpike they had a foot or more. And more as you went south.

I shouldn't have put gas in that new snowblower. I could have returned it. The old one works fine ( it's just too heavy )

It was a wicked ice storm through much of NJ.

Wind is brutal. My wife's flight into Newark is delayed due to the wind. It sure as heck feels like the pattern has flipped. Just very uncomfortable out there.

Interesting. A short piece in a newspaper wouldn't go into that kind of explanation, but it makes perfect sense. But it is human nature to try to find a reason for things, even when our ability to draw conclusions is limited. The article IIRC was also during a period of time that wasn't particularly snowy, possibly early 90's. My wife is in the sciences and my son is studying ecology at Rutgers, so they have a better grip on stats than I do, although we use them extensively in the social sciences to measure program effectiveness. But it ain't quite the same. Really appreciate your input over the years here. I pretty much rely on your reports to figure how much snow is out there, although on a few occasions there's some differences. Cheers.

There is too small a sample for Nov, but I'm not so sure about December; while I am not a scientist, I will never make things up out of whole cloth ( former journalist, from an era when that meant you didn't present both sides of an issue if one of the sides was malarkey, think climate change "debate" ) I first learned of the association between low snow Decembers and low snow winters from a Rutgers meteorologist. Specifically, he cited New Brunswick patterns. He was quoted in the Star Ledger IIRC; this was a long time ago, but has generally been true as long as I've lived in the area, with a few exceptions, like 2015, and 2016 ( though we got most if not all of the seasonal average in one big storm ). But even then I wonder how robust that is; sounds more like a rule of thumb than a hard and fast rule. Most weather pros will tell you one can never rule out a big snow in any winter, even a mild one.

It has been no better here. I know it's superstition, but generally, in recent decades, a early season snow has been followed by lame winters, and so have, statistically, snowless Decembers. Correlation isn't causation and all, but still.

At 56, I'm not much concerned with big snows for the next 20-25 years:). There's a few other things on my mind....I expect I will retire someplace where such huge snowstorms don't happen often, SEPA maybe.

The 80's were just as forgettable. April 82, Feb 83, Jan 87, single events....

KU's used to be pretty rare, looking back in this area, 78, then 83, then 96...then 2003, after that they picked up, one theory is due to warmer ocean temps and climate change. But nobody's snowing a lot this year. I don't think too many people had much invested in this event. Still hoping for the elusive pattern flip, it's as clear as day, any time now, just ten more days....I don't think a lot of people remember winters like this one. We used to have several years in a row like this. 8-10 was a major event.

4 is about what I get when progged for 12, so I don't expect much LOL.

I hope so, this is as dead in here as I've seen it in the last 9 years.

One of the great cinematic performances of all time; Scott refused the Oscar. And he never equalled that feat; most embarrassingly appearing in Day of the Dolphin, which was not only ludicrous for its talking dolphins but boring to boot. At the end you are rooting for the bad guys to come kill everyone on the beach so the movie can end.

Got married in Aug 93 and the priest wouldn't put the AC on. Even though someone passed out during an earlier service.

I wasn't in the bullseye for any storm that year, but the 2/6 was insane because 30 mins away they had 18-20, and I was progged to get 8-12. Got 3. Drove the kids to the Camden Aquarium that Sunday, so the kids could see how much snow it got. We had the run of the place, they were open for business. Later that summer I was visited the DC zoo and the Cape May zoo, both had sustained damage from the "snowstorms" ( plural ) that winter; My biggest storm was the Dec 09 one that year at 10 inches.