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On 3/24/2022 at 1:06 PM, wolfie09 said:

The real"snowbelt" is just east of pulaski and the 81 corridor, like Altmar/Orwell area, elevation between 500-800'ASL.. Unfortunately you won't find much out that way.. This obviously doesn't include the last couple garbage years.. Outside of that it depends on the year, some years Fulton has had 50" more than mexico and vice versa..We are at the mercy of the wind direction lol 

 

So the parish house was a no go. One thing I've learned in this area, basements or any foundation below ground is a negative. Completely different than philly area, this area and drainage is terrible. Anyways, curious to get yours and @TugHillMatt thoughts on these 3 houses im looking at. These are in the rome area. 1 is about 9.5 miles northeast of rome or about 4 iles nw of holland patent. Nice house, it's up on a mtn, elev about 1250. The other is about 2 miles northwest of remsen, elev about 1350. Final one is about 2 miles west of west leydon, elev 1560. Whats nice about the west leydon house, its in the heart of the tug, but only 16 miles from Rome, which is hell of a lot better than lowville to watertown. 

2 hours ago, wolfie09 said:

Yeah dude that's still pulaski or "fernwood", pretty much the same weather as here.. Early in the season could be some issues with the warm lake..TBH it all depends on which way the wind blows lol Each year is different, once outside the tug it's pretty much equal footing for the lower elevations.. Obviously being a little farther east of 81 would be beneficial as well..Area wise it's nice, country oriented with low crime, just minutes from 81 and lake Ontario..The village isn't NYC but it has all you need besides a hospital (Oswego).. Location wise you would be 30 min from Watertown, 25 from OSWEGO, 35 to syracuse (25-30 to the burbs) and around 35 min from Fulton..So you have plenty of other shopping or dinning destinations.. Good luck with the search my man..I would just advise to find the house that fits you and not necessarily snow chase unless it's the tug haha, litterly any location can get it depending on the year.. Unfortunately this area really underperformed this year...

Ooo yea I’d never just base it off snow, but def something I take into consideration lol. I’m just traumatized over the lowville shadow. So just want an area that gets hit good with lake effect 

@wolfie09is this area a decent spot? Not to familiar with down in your hood 

On 3/19/2022 at 10:40 AM, rochesterdave said:

Good luck! I’m glad you’re staying in the area. Lowville is like smelling a great meal but not being allowed to taste it. 
I was driving down the hill from Brantingham and you can easily see the valley and the wind turbines on the tug. 
My favorite area might be Ava. Or West Turin, West Branch. Sounds like you’re looking really close to Altmar, which is where Wolfie lived. 

Thanks, yea I’ll be somewhere around here. Either around cuse or up in north country close to i81. Would like to stay close to my current job but wherever I find a good house that’s where I’ll go. Two houses this weekend were a no go. 

11 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

That's a great spot Tombo, good luck with your house search.

Thanks, we will see what the house brings. Looked at one in the adams area this week and was rather meh. 

21 minutes ago, winter_rules said:

That sounds like it’s a few miles south of where we used to live.  Relatively nice area, affordable real estate.  Near sled and ATV trails. Be ready for mosquitos. 

In terms of snow, it seems like each mile east of 81 gains you some snowfall but significant snow retention.  

I feel like everywhere around here is a haven for mosquitoes with the water table being very shallow 

Welp, looking at house about 4 miles northeast of parish sunday right by rt 104 about 1.5 miles east of 81

43 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

West wind used to be more common. WNW is the transitional winds. It rarely ever stays long in WNW, which is why us North Syracuse burb guys are feeling neglected. SW, NW, and W are the most common. The NW winds are such a pain for the Syracuse area as they're so unpredictable. Westerly winds used to be more common, which is part of the reason the Tug, due East, gets so much snow. Lately, the North Tug, which does better when there is a bit of a southerly component to the winds (WSW) has been getting hammered. The amount of times Watertown has been hit by big SW events the past several years seems ridiculous. For most reliable snows, regardless of weather, I still say the Worth area is King. I mean, looking at their webcam today, they look to have about 20 inches there

Thanks for the insights, appreciate it 

25 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

Yeah, if I lived in Oswego County and wanted to be near 81, I would pick Parish as well. Or the area between Parish and Pulaski. That's the West-wind snowbelt.

does the west wind snow belt happen alot? Seems like in winter prodiminent flow is generally nw or wnw

24 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

East side of Sandy Creek or NE Altmar. If you want to be closer to Syracuse than Parish is probably best spot. But they don't get hit with the big LES events like Pulaski, Sandy Creek, and Altmar do. I mean Parish does, but not as commonplace as places further N/NE. If you're moving just for snow, ask Carol to put up a shed next to her place in N Redfield.

it's a trifecta of 3 things. convenience, snow, and job availability. Ive got 3 areas I'm looking at. North of cortland to la fayette area over to cazenvoia. Issue there would be finding something affordable.  then hastings to mexico to williamstown to parish. Then Copenhagen to harrisburg to lorraine then parallel 81 to south of watertown. This spot would be ideal as its close to the job I have now 

1 minute ago, TugHillMatt said:

Honestly, I'd recommend the Cazenovia/Manlius area (especially Cazenovia as it's higher in elevation and a very nice area). I absolutely love Madison county. It's such a beautiful area.

If you want more affordable than that area, I recommend looking at the Lafayette/Tully areas. They're more remote and farther out, but still a close drive to Syracuse.

If you want suburbia in what "used to be the snowbelt"... the northern burbs of Bville to Clay to Brewerton to Cicero are your choices. Safe areas with a variety of stores and homes. I find them to be very boring areas, as I am not a fan of overdevelopment and they're VERY flat. The landscape is quite boring. Bville is beautiful with rolling hills and rivers. 

I personally like the area between Bville and Fulton, known as Granby and Phoenix. Still much more of a rural feel but close to everything. Many people say to stay away from Fulton, as it has a lot of the issues that dying cities have. The companies left and drugs are a big issue. The homes there are thus very affordable.

I would live in the Cazenovia/Pompey areas in a heartbeat if I could afford it.

What about parish area?

25 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

You'll get everything you need living near Syracuse. Most people aren't cold winter weenies to the extreme that I am. There are people that live in the Parish and Central Square areas that commute to Syracuse daily. I was only about 3 minutes from the locale you're looking at (Rte. 39) and it feels like forever to get anywhere from there.

Yea that’s my worry, that forever feeling of a drive lol. O well, we will see what comes about. I’ll be picking your brain though. Is there an area you’d recommend closer to Syracuse?

8 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Nice looking property lol

I'm always"dabbling" around that area..I'm pretty sure I know what property it is because of the pond..

Yea, Its just tough. I want that country setting, but also don't want to be 30 mins from nearest grocery store or what not. I've done the 30 mile drive to work for most of my life, it can get old, especially right now with gas prices. I would love to get around the copenhagen to rodman area would be ideal. Would only be a 20 minute drive to where I work right now. Also, open moving closer to syracuse, but hearing matt speak so negative about, I'm very eeeeee lol

54 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

Is that on Waterbury Rd? I lived along that road for a winter.

Rte 39

14 hours ago, TugHillMatt said:

Sure thing. That sounds like the ridge I was talking about. I have friends that live up there. Very pretty area right in there. It's the first set of hills where the lake effect can get squeezed out. It's a small microclimate, as right when you come down the hills you will see less snow in Amboy. It's also very wooded and snow retention is good. WINDY area though. You can actually see Syracuse at night in the distance from that area. (Not really light pollution in the sky...more like a smattering of tiny lights in the distance.) It's very easy to get to the Parish exit on I 81 there. Does the place have a finished basement so I can come up and live there? 

Lol, yea I got some more details on that place and not what im looking for in terms of the house. Though I believe I will be seeing a house right in between redfield and osceola next weekend. Right on a pond. 

18 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

It's alright. Doesn't get nearly the amount that the Tug gets just a short distance up the road. It's in a bit of a minima location, as it's lower in elevation as compared to places to the north, south, and east. There is a ridge between there and Amboy to the south that can get substantially more snow. The Amboy 4-H Center is very close. There will also be more snow in the village of Redfield a short distance up the road. If you would like a good spot in that general area, I recommend the hills between Florence and Camden for a local snowfall maxima. That extreme northwest corner of Oneida county does really well with lake effect snow and retention. 

There are some really nice coniferous forests in that region. Williamstown is in between Pulaski and Camden. You won't get any big box shopping (which I hate anyways) but you can find what you need by frequenting both communities. I love Camden and wanted to live there, but there just weren't many jobs. Most people that live there commute to the Rome and Utica areas for work. Some will go to Syracuse as well since I 81 isn't that far away. Wolfie lived really close to that area in Altmar, which averages pretty close to what Williamstown gets. P.S. Williamstown doesn't have much: A mechanic, ice cream shop, a tiny library, a tiny park, and a pretty popular gas station. It takes about 10 seconds to drive though.  

Thanks for the breakdown. Reason I’m asking is cause I sold my house in lowville. Just need inspection on Monday to go fine and it’s a done deal. Trying to find something closer to 81 to cut down my drive to PA and we’ll be closer to a bigger area. I saw a nice house in the williamstown area it’s about 2.5 miles south of it going towards amboy. Was curious what that area was like snow wise.  

4 hours ago, TugHillMatt said:

Check out the newest BGM call for the lake effect. Hmm, when was the last time you saw a lake effect map like that? 

 

Matt, what’s the williamstown area like snowfall wise 

57 minutes ago, Flying MXZ said:

As a snowmobiler, that valley sucks. 

it's pretty bad the butt crack, thankfully I won't be doing this again next winter

2.7 we will call it. See if we get anything later on with upper level trough swinging through. 95.7" on the season. 

1 minute ago, rochesterdave said:

Pioneer restaurant. I’m just eyeballing but doesn’t look like more than 1.5-2”. Brantingham has closer to 3 or 4”. I was under the pines. But definitely feels anemic. 

Yea models showed the butt crack formation well here in the valley 

37 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

It’s a microclimate event. Snow ridge is at 5” and here in the valley near Lowville it appears as if they’ve barely had more than 1”. Eeek

Where are you at? I’m 3 miles east of lowville and I got about 2.5 so far. 

need 7" to break 100" for the season thats my benchmark

28 minutes ago, BGM Blizzard said:

12z ensemble mean 10:1 (not including tomorrow event)

Lol one does not look like the other for wolfie and I 

gfs would be nice, but I worry we are seeing what we have seen of late.  Overdoing the cold push and making things a bit more progressive than what occurs in reality. 

10 hours ago, Thinksnow18 said:

Yes but isn’t the EPS doubling down as well?

not like the gfs or gefs. the eps are very transient with chill. couple cold days then back to normal or slightly abv, rinse/repeat.