Lots of punting going on in the MA LR thread. Not sure why.... we have model snowstorms at 8-10 days all winter, that rarely materialize, so hard to take stock in progs showing conditions out beyond that. We get one situation where the forum has a foot or more storm and the winter is saved. Are the tellies always right with warm but never right with cold? I actually saw some postmortems about THIS WINTER! LOL. Come on....