I’ve got a few with yellow flowers. So they’re still trying. But yeah.. sunlight is a big issue. They only get 2-3 hours max now vs 6-8 in summer . So growing much slower . I also aerated and overseeded large portion of lawn in early Septorcher.. so nothing like dragging sprinkler around in Octorcher . They also got the blight from the wet, humid summer so many of them I’ve been pulling limbs off since July