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This is what I thought too, yes the wave is slightly weaker more strung out, but the whole thing is more progressive too, so those areas that were getting hit by both waves had higher totals now there is a larger swath of decent snow. In any event if we have to sacrifice someone else's snow to have an interesting event here I'll throw that baby into the volcano everytime, we have like 8 - 9 months out of the year for plain rain. Give me something wintry over plain rain any day in mid winter.

Probably also means the Canadian won't be making any big jumps towards the GFS. Man, what a battle, something is going bust pretty badly and I hope it's not the one that gives us the most snow.

Wouldn't it be nice for the cold air to win out and come in faster than modeled like what usually happens to us with the warm nose? If it's going to happen this is probably the type of setup to do it with a strong arctic boundary pressing and a decent 1040+ high in a good position to the north. I'd feel better being west / north of the city right now but I wouldn't be too upset over 2-4 inches of sleet either, that is something pretty unusual. One can hope. Sure looks like your move is paying off this winter eh?

Yeah comparing hour to hour vs previous run it's maybe ever so slightly colder / faster with the cold push but for someone that's going to make a big difference. I hope we can get like the Canadian and Euro to get closer to the GFS, that would instill a lot of confidence that this is turning the right way. At least the NAM is making the move.

Yes, big jump towards the GFS, gets the cold in much faster ahead of that second wave. Now watch the GFS go North at 12z.

I feel like it's been awhile since I looked at the BUFKIT tables, but here is the big difference, GFS gets KPIT almost 7 inches of snow and like a tenth of ice, NAM gets KPIT almost .9 of ice, but its all with temperatures between 29-32 6z GFS StnID: kpit Profile Thermal Adjust: 0.0 Cloud RH threshold: 85% Average Hourly Sounding: NO Date/hour FHr Wind SfcT Ptype SR |Snow||Sleet|| FZRA|| QPF CumSR|TotSN||TotPL||TotZR|| TQPF S%| I%| L% ============================================================================================================================ 220202/2300Z 41 16007KT 36.9F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.032 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.03 0| 0|100 220203/0000Z 42 16008KT 37.5F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.059 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.09 0| 0|100 ----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+--- 220203/0100Z 43 16008KT 38.2F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.052 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.14 0| 0|100 220203/0200Z 44 17007KT 38.2F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.016 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.16 0| 0|100 220203/0300Z 45 17006KT 38.0F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.016 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.17 0| 0|100 220203/0400Z 46 18006KT 37.8F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.026 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.20 0| 0|100 220203/0500Z 47 19005KT 38.2F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.046 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.25 0| 0|100 220203/0600Z 48 23003KT 37.3F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.034 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.28 0| 0|100 ----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+--- 220203/0700Z 49 32003KT 35.3F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.040 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.32 0| 0|100 220203/0800Z 50 34006KT 32.1F FZRA 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.026 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.35 0| 0|100 220203/0900Z 51 33006KT 29.4F FZRA 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.01|| 0.014 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.01|| 0.36 0| 0|100 220203/1000Z 52 34007KT 27.9F SNPL 1:1| 0.0|| 0.03|| 0.00|| 0.015 1:1| 0.0|| 0.03|| 0.01|| 0.38 17| 83| 0 220203/1100Z 53 34006KT 27.0F SNPL 2:1| 0.0|| 0.03|| 0.00|| 0.022 2:1| 0.1|| 0.06|| 0.01|| 0.40 31| 69| 0 220203/1200Z 54 35007KT 26.7F FZRA 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.02|| 0.020 2:1| 0.1|| 0.06|| 0.04|| 0.42 0| 0|100 ----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+--- 220203/1300Z 55 35007KT 26.0F SNPL 1:1| 0.0|| 0.05|| 0.00|| 0.029 1:1| 0.1|| 0.11|| 0.04|| 0.45 12| 88| 0 220203/1400Z 56 35008KT 25.6F SNPL 1:1| 0.0|| 0.03|| 0.00|| 0.020 1:1| 0.1|| 0.14|| 0.04|| 0.47 14| 86| 0 220203/1500Z 57 36007KT 25.2F FZRA 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.02|| 0.015 1:1| 0.1|| 0.14|| 0.05|| 0.48 0| 2| 98 220203/1600Z 58 35008KT 25.6F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 1:1| 0.1|| 0.14|| 0.05|| 0.48 0| 0| 0 220203/1700Z 59 36007KT 25.1F SNPL 5:1| 0.1|| 0.03|| 0.00|| 0.026 2:1| 0.3|| 0.17|| 0.05|| 0.51 46| 54| 0 220203/1800Z 60 01008KT 24.7F PL 0:1| 0.0|| 0.15|| 0.00|| 0.074 2:1| 0.3|| 0.32|| 0.05|| 0.58 5| 95| 0 ----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+--- 220203/1900Z 61 36008KT 24.9F SNPL 2:1| 0.1|| 0.10|| 0.00|| 0.055 2:1| 0.3|| 0.41|| 0.05|| 0.64 12| 88| 0 220203/2000Z 62 01008KT 24.3F ZRPL 0:1| 0.0|| 0.04|| 0.05|| 0.072 2:1| 0.3|| 0.45|| 0.11|| 0.71 0| 28| 72 220203/2100Z 63 01008KT 24.0F SNPL 2:1| 0.2|| 0.13|| 0.00|| 0.078 2:1| 0.5|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 0.79 19| 81| 0 220203/2200Z 64 01009KT 23.1F SNOW 13:1| 0.9|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.067 5:1| 1.4|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 0.85 100| 0| 0 220203/2300Z 65 01009KT 22.2F SNOW 10:1| 1.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.104 6:1| 2.4|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 0.96 100| 0| 0 220204/0000Z 66 01010KT 21.5F SNOW 10:1| 0.7|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.076 6:1| 3.2|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.03 100| 0| 0 ----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+--- 220204/0100Z 67 01010KT 20.9F SNOW 8:1| 0.6|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.065 7:1| 3.7|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.10 100| 0| 0 220204/0200Z 68 01010KT 20.0F SNOW 8:1| 0.6|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.073 7:1| 4.3|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.17 100| 0| 0 220204/0300Z 69 01010KT 18.9F SNOW 7:1| 0.5|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.064 7:1| 4.7|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.24 100| 0| 0 220204/0400Z 70 01010KT 18.4F SNOW 11:1| 0.6|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.052 7:1| 5.3|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.29 100| 0| 0 220204/0500Z 71 02010KT 18.0F SNOW 10:1| 0.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.044 7:1| 5.8|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.33 100| 0| 0 220204/0600Z 72 02008KT 18.0F SNOW 9:1| 0.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.043 7:1| 6.1|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.38 100| 0| 0 ----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+--- 220204/0700Z 73 01008KT 17.9F SNOW 7:1| 0.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.053 7:1| 6.5|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.43 100| 0| 0 220204/0800Z 74 02008KT 17.7F SNOW 7:1| 0.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.038 7:1| 6.7|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.47 100| 0| 0 220204/0900Z 75 01008KT 17.5F SNOW 9:1| 0.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.035 7:1| 7.1|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.50 100| 0| 0 220204/1000Z 76 02008KT 17.1F SNOW 5:1| 0.2|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.036 7:1| 7.2|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.54 100| 0| 0 220204/1100Z 77 02007KT 17.0F SNOW 6:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.009 7:1| 7.3|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.55 100| 0| 0 220204/1200Z 78 02007KT 16.6F SNOW 13:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.011 7:1| 7.5|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.56 100| 0| 0 ----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+--- 220204/1300Z 79 01007KT 16.6F SNOW 6:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.014 7:1| 7.5|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.57 100| 0| 0 220204/1400Z 80 01007KT 17.3F SNOW 8:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.008 7:1| 7.6|| 0.58|| 0.11|| 1.58 100| 0| 0 6Z NAM StnID: kpit Profile Thermal Adjust: 0.0 Cloud RH threshold: 85% Average Hourly Sounding: NO Date/hour FHr Wind SfcT Ptype SR |Snow||Sleet|| FZRA|| QPF CumSR|TotSN||TotPL||TotZR|| TQPF S%| I%| L% ============================================================================================================================ 220203/0000Z 42 13006KT 38.9F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.017 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.02 0| 0|100 ----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+--- 220203/0100Z 43 15006KT 39.1F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.033 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.05 0| 0|100 220203/0200Z 44 15009KT 39.5F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.070 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.12 0| 0|100 220203/0300Z 45 16009KT 39.6F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.024 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.14 0| 0|100 220203/0400Z 46 17008KT 39.6F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.009 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.15 0| 0|100 220203/0500Z 47 18007KT 39.6F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.031 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.19 0| 0|100 220203/0600Z 48 18007KT 39.8F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.019 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.20 0| 0|100 ----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+--- 220203/0700Z 49 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80 34007KT 19.8F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 7:1| 0.6|| 0.33|| 0.95|| 1.54 0| 0| 0

Once we get into 3k NAM territory start paying attention to how it does with 2m temperatures etc. It's not great with precipitation amounts but it does seem to do pretty well depicting warm layers etc and has a better handle on p-type with its higher resolution. I think part of this will depend how much surfaces warm today and tomorrow with highs getting above freezing ground temperatures will warm up some so that may be overcome as well but if we keep snow cover maybe that won't matter much. I'm trying to remember the last time we had rain changing to freezing rain, I think it was probably 4 years ago with an arctic front approaching. We did get ice but it transitioned to sleet faster than forecast, that's what I'm hoping for with this. Part of me wouldn't mind seeing a sleet bomb and if that's your expectation its not the same as expecting a big all snow storm then hearing pinging 3 hours into it. This time I'll be hoping to hear it unless by some miraculous turn of events we can get more snow.

Taken in isolation, the 6z GFS basically held, the little NW trend could just be considered noise. 6z NAM also looks to be closer to the GFS now. However for those especially east and south of the city, not seeing all the other models make a significant jump towards the GFS makes me think we might end up seeing something more in between. I think it's going to be painful as locations 20 miles away might be reporting heavy sleet etc while it rains at 31.5 degrees in my yard. Even the NWS WSW doesn't include Armstrong / Westmoreland. If I was in NW Allegheny SW Butler I'd feel pretty good about seeing some interesting weather vs my location given current models. Will need to see how things evolve as we get closer, if the GFS continues to hold its ground and we keep seeing incremental adjustments towards it I'd start to feel a bit better and expect WSW to expand eastward some.

There’s a ton of sleet probably counted as snow but still. Something’s got to start caving one way or the other soon you’d think.

Alright…wtf… who stole the GFS super computer cluster and is running it in their basement with modified physics code? It can’t be this different from the rest and be correct can it? Lol

Well, I expected GFS to make a move towards the more NW models, but it’s actually coming in SE with the boundary at 00z.

Interesting. Crazy what happened there. Amazing nobody was killed. I'll be interested to hear from an engineering perspective why it failed and whether inspections really conveyed the state it was in and it was ignored / overlooked or the inspection was lacking. Anyways 18z GEFS have several good members. This setup is clear as mud right now. Would be nice to see the Euro make a move towards the GFS. As it stands GFS is a very impactful storm, but we still need faster frontal passage for more snow.

Oh wow, what do they have you doing there?

I'm interested to see what happens here. I had all but given up on anything but mainly rain with some mostly inconsequential wintry precipitation on the back end, then I saw the 6z/12z GFS. None of the models look like the GFS, its a SE outlier even among it's own ensembles. I have a feeling it's miss handling something. It seems to be the only one slowing down the ejection of the energy in the south west and having it come out in weaker pieces vs a more consolidated system. If it keeps holding through 18z / 00z tonight it will really be setting up a fairly big fail for either itself or the rest of the gang. We still don't know much about any new biases that may have been introduced since the last upgrade so who knows. It did alright with the blizzard but I think it ended up being to far east granted it was more right in the day 4 range with it and the MLK storm so.. grab a bowl of popcorn and see what happens.

GFS is the new Master of all things forecasting right? The other models are a few cycles behind and just need to catch up.. That's what I'm going with lol, anything to have the positive vibes.

I actually thought the Canadian was a bit worse early on with the front having a more North to South orientation, then towards the end looked a bit better and we ended with more snow on the end.

I'm with you, I'll gladly take a slop storm in reverse progression... rn to zr to ip to sn+ lol

GFS looks like its coming in SE again of the 6z run, need to let it play out a bit further to be sure but front looks more West to East at our latitude.

This setup plays into the NAMs bias though. It really amplifies the second wave and has less press from tpv / high pressure. Basically exact opposite of what the GFS was doing, less consolidated energy along the front and more cold push. Not saying NAM idea is wrong perse but even Euro moved a bit SE at 6z albeit not to the degree of the GFS. As always we need to get a couple runs in a row agreeing with the GFS otherwise maybe just noise.

Yes lots of sleet and ice. I'd take it, and I'd hedge if that scenario played out it's more sleet than ice.

For a real ice storm you need temps in the upper 20s or lower and light to moderate precipitation. Heavy rain and 31 degrees 95% is just runoff yet models show as accumulated ice. If there’s snow on the ground to soak it up and refereeze that can make an interesting setup but it’s my least favorite wintry precip. I’d take a heavy sleet storm any day. When was our last real ice storm? what ever happens it looks like North and West of the city is the place to be for better odds again.

Color me shocked, GFS never showed us in a good spot, Euro slowly moved same way. At least you won't have to worry about washing your car with 1+ inches of rain. The overall look the first 2 weeks of Feb has degraded some vs the broad cold trough we saw a few days ago on the models.

If I had to make a call right now I'd say this will primarily be rain except for the back edge Thursday night into Friday. Euro op and Ukmet really the only 2 that show the front getting far enough South to put us on the cold side as the second wave ride up the boundary. The Euro ENS mean looks more like the GFS. Still far enough out to see a change though just how it looks right now.

Gotta sniff the rain if you want the big totals.. at least that's how the saying goes... I think? lol. I don't have a good feeling on how far South the boundary makes it, but it seems the trend has been lower heights in the east and the winter thus far has featured faster progressive storms so that bodes well vs an amped up Midwest cutter from a few days ago. If that continues it's good to see we have wiggle room for more SE adjustments. Seems GFS is furthest NW with the boundary, CMC is in-between and Euro further SE.

Seems like some runs are showing the storm come out in pieces which increased our odds of seeing winter weather of some sort vs rain with a big consolidated low. Also keep an eye on that piece of energy that goes by to the North. I'd say we want that stronger and further south just ahead of the storm, that should lower heights in the east so we get the front through before all the pieces of energy ride up.