michsnowfreak

He has ramped up the trolling since his buddy was repeatedly banned.

Youve been here for decades? Interesting. And no, Im not always complaining about heat island at DTW. A handful of years ago it seemed that there was an issue with the DTW thermometer running warmer, and retired met Bill Deedler always complained of heat island, but Ive not seen an issue in a while. In fact, Ive always said that DTW is in a rural-ish area, and that in the '60s-80s the radiational cooling was off the chart (the days of less concrete at the airport). Its not so much a heat island today as it is a radiational cooling magnet it was in the 60s-70s (comparable to present-day Ann Arbor). If you actually paid attention to the weather instead of just playing around all day on xmacis, it would not be a surprise that DTW is running similar to Flint. The big cold snap (the one that smashed records in the plains that you called run of the mill) had the core of the cold further south in MI than north. It was like 12 in Traverse City when it was -3 in Detroit. And the month has been full of stagnant weather, almost no sun, and significantly more rain and snow in Detroit than Flint.

Thanks. Heres the comparison to Detroit for Toronto's 20 least snowy. Most years were below avg at Detroit too, but 3 of them (2009-10, 1877-78, 1987-88) finished north of 40"+. 01.) 1952-53: 18.4” --- 16.6” 02.) 2009-10: 23.7” --- 43.7” 03.) 1932-33: 25.7” --- 25.8” 04.) 1936-37: 27.7” --- 12.9” 05.) 2011-12: 28.3” --- 26.0” 06.) 1982-83: 28.7” --- 20.0” 07.) 1905-06: 30.2” --- 29.4” 08.) 1877-78: 30.2” --- N/A* 09.) 1881-82: 30.4” --- 13.2” 10.) 1937-38: 30.9” --- 22.6” 11.) 1957-58: 31.3” --- 20.0” 12.) 2015-16: 31.8” --- 35.3” 13.) 1994-95: 31.9” --- 33.5” 14.) 2006-07: 32.8” --- 30.3” 15.) 1928-29: 33.7” --- 38.9” 16.) 1988-89: 34.3” --- 25.1” 17.) 1999-00: 34.8” --- 23.7” 18.) 1847-48: 34.9” --- N/A 19.) 1941-42: 35.3” --- 23.4” 20.) 1987-88: 36.4” --- 45.1” *March & April data is M in 1877-78, but snowfall was above avg despite the mild temps that winter* Oh and its so damn cool that Toronto has data since 1840. I do have a thick book that details winters of the 1830s-1880s at Detroit (a guy kept a journal) but not actual official stats.

"Admire" is not a word I'd use to describe cromartie. This January has been full of both fun times and frustration, but it's been anything but zzzz here.

This morning was back & forth between rain and wet snow. I received a slushy 0.2" of snow, but the heaviest amount was right near the airport, complete with slush covered roads at 0.8" at DTW. DTW is now at 4.97" precip and 14.6" snow in January. The wettest January on record is 5.02". I am at 5.00" precip and 14.2" snow in January.

Ah ok. Makes sense. We went from Winnipeg last weekend to Seattle this weekend.

How close are you to ord? They are at 0 depth now

We are now down to just piles.

Cleveland is part of the Lake Erie snowbelt & average 18.8" more than Detroit, so really not a good comparison. Although the last several years I don't know what's going on in Cleveland, they've been in the snow hole it seems.

Detroit can do good in weak el ninos. Strong are the worst. Do you have Torontos top 20 least snowy?

My expectations are not centered around big dogs. I am closer to a beavis, but not as extreme. In a strong nino I'd never expect sustained winter, but hope for periods of it. Just because you enjoy the fun times (ie the last 2 weeks) doesn't mean you're satisfied or expectations met. Which is where I don't understand where beavis is going. Who of the winter lovers is saying their satisfied? It's a subpar winter all around, especially in most or the Northwoods, but doesn't mean you can't enjoy the fun when it's here.

You're kind of taking this OT. All that was said is that it was a significant cold snap. The week averaged 15 degrees colder than average. Good catch on Jan 1966. It was more severe in terms of longevity for sure. 1973 & 1992 were shorter and not as extreme as 2023 here. I did not realize 1988 was a strong nino.

It was a very cold week here. But with the mild weather to close January, yes, DTW will finish slightly on the + side. The blast was impressive but on the short side. It was a parade of snowfalls and temps well below avg for about 10 days. The 3rd week of January was 7th coldest on record for Detroit. Nowhere near the blasts of 2019, 2014, 2015, etc...but i cant find a similar one during a strong Nino here.

Over an inch of rain last night brought DTW to over 4.5" of precip in January, the 3rd wettest January on record. That, plus the unusually severe (albeit too brief for my liking) stretch of deep winter are both things I did not see coming in a strong Nino.

Grass looks gross after staring at white for a few weeks . Just piles and a few rogue patches left.

The pattern absolutely verified. It was deep winter for a few weeks, with record breaking cold in the middle of the country. After a parade of snow systems and bitter cold here, London weather has commenced for the thaw. Can kicking has become an overused term.

Honestly anything thru approx Feb 10th would be thread the needle luck. I'm not holding my breath, but definitely liking mid Feb and beyond.

I'm not familiar with how a strong nina would affect the East. But I know here in the lakes there's actually a decent chance of having a very stormy winter. Big on roller coaster patterns.

snowman has officially resigned from the Eric Webb fan club.

No arguments here. Depending what happens the rest of the way, this could be a real wacky winter, especially if the torch followed by cold comes to fruition. So far- -Snowiest Halloween on record -Near zero visibility in snow squalls Nov 27, made for 3 days of white to end November. -Disaster December. Warmth is one thing, but only a trace of snow imby. No days with snow on the ground -Mild first third of January gives way to a 10-12 day siege of deep winter w/ thundersnow, a parade of snowfalls, bitter cold, drifting snow, -30F wind chills, etc -London weather hits during the dead of winter -Rest of the way???

Any posters from southern Wisconsin, I'm curious. Does the MKE temperature sensor seem to be running warm? I notice that MKE is always warmer than everywhere to the north or south, often even warmer than chicago.

TCC went off a cliff when the significance of the cold snap was discussed. The third week of january was top 3 coldest in almost the entire middle third of the country, something he called run of the mill. At Detroit, it was the 7th coldest. We have talked to death about how shitty the first half of this winter has been, especially December. There is not one single person in here who is remotely acting like this is a good winter for cold and snow lovers. But for the cromartie-lites, the mere discussion of ongoing cold or snow is a trigger. Hey look I can play with xmacis too! Detroit coldest Jan 14-20

I think you mean 1877-78.

There's still snowcover but it's been melting. The water content of the pack has helped the melt be slow. There will still be piles but today and tonight should do it for a snowpack. A 2 week stretch of pretty deep winter is definitely not bad for a strong Nino, just hoping we do it again the 2nd half of Feb.

Now to add some actual piss and moan banter. No matter the pattern or expectation, I HATE watching snow melt. Far more irritating to me than any model failure.