michsnowfreak

Not sure about that. season to date snowfall map thru yesterday shows that parts of Missouri literally had 0 snowfall until today. But all that said, not a fun pattern

Cold and dry unfortunately seems to be the theme for a while, and the Indiana screw zone has been brutal thus far, but posting all these op model runs verbatim qpf and assuming that's what happens is lol-worthy. Any impulses, clippers, or snow with arctic fronts will not be modeled well ahead of time anyway, much less with as much as the models have been struggling. And of course, it's not out of the question for another decent system to pop up in a cold regime.

I'll take it!

Years that we were screwed? I thought 88-89 was bad everywhere. I mean...like I said, it's way too early to make a call. It's been a frustrating Winter so far for damn sure though. I don't buy into that stat padding crap either. November saw 7" of snow...it was still snow. But I look at it like it's a cruel joke from ma nature. You start off with a bang before winter even starts, like giving candy to a kid before dinner, then you let it fizzle to zzzz. There were some cold, dry winters in the olden days. A few of the dreaded 40s winters were actually quite cold.

Lol I wouldnt go that far when we are not even at midwinter. Its been a while since we've had one of the old "cold and dry" winters. The 1980s were not bad they just didnt have a lot of big storms (of course I don't remember, I'm just going from data). The 2nd half of the 1990s were blah city with the king of screwzone winters being 1995-96. 95-96 saw tons of snow in all directions avoid the ORD-DTW corridor. Since then we have many times jackpotted but I have never seen a screw zone like that. That said, this winter doesn't compare to that. One week of seeing systems avoid us in what has been a frustrating Winter for almost everyone is a far cry from months of being avoided in all directions, watching everyone else have a great Winter, until our surprise Mar 20, 1996 snowstorm.

I don't think anyone called it a decent winter last week. What's worse the mini thaw got rid of our snow except for piles. With the rest of the month looking very cold hopefully we get a few clippers and then hopefully February once again comes through as the star month. I'm very irritated right now but that will escalate to pissed then f*cking pissed if this keeps up.

The story of the models.

Not necessarily. We'll just have to see where clippers end up tracking here. As of now almost everyone's been in no man's land lol.

Our 2.7" New Year's snowfall did it's best to hang on through a zzzzz 1st 9 days of January, But thanks to yesterday's pointless mid to upper 30s damp thaw We now have just patches and piles of frozen Snipes. Extended pattern has clipper potential but any details are going to be non existent before anything gets into short range.

As a fellow Winter lover, I love beavis' passion but I just don't understand his standards. I know Detroit and Toledo were ground 0 in the historic 2013-14 Winter, but it was still a severe Winter in Chicago. How you cannot consider that a consistent winter is mind boggling.

Thanks to the useless brief thaw yesterday there's far more grass than snow showing now. Frozen patches of snow glued to the frozen ground and snow banks that would kill someone in a sniceball fight. Definitely not been a great Winter so far, but I'm liking that we are going to be in a cold pattern for the foreseeable future. Really hoping the clippers pan out. If long range models (as useless as thaws) can be trusted, those who ice fish must be salivating as temperatures look to be well below normal as we approach the dead of Winter later this month.

1889 is the only December on record at Detroit with not a single flake of snow recorded. It was a very warm Christmas.

Frozen sunset last night.

Yes, to confirm I meant lake effect events. We had a great snow pack last February too. And I agree, 2014 was too good to be true. Can't believe it was 8 years ago now.

Jealous of the lake effect event in Western Michigan, but it was definitely a long time coming for them. Seems like every year the UP has no problem getting a good lake effect event but it's been a few years for Western lower. Did pick up a light dusting of 0.1" this morning, otherwise a frozen crust of 1 to 2" on the ground as we are cold and dry. Season is at 12.7" in my backyard and 13.2" at DTW. Took some close up pictures of snowflakes this morning.

Glad to help lol. Our region has been blessed with a lot of great winters in the past few decades, but 2011-12 is always the poster child for an undesirable Winter. If this does not end as a decent snow season for Toledo, it still will be vastly different than 2012 with all of the cold coming.

By no means has it been a great winter here, but the difference between Detroit and Toledo has been unusually extreme so far this season. As if the state line is the cutoff. That said, its way too early for you to write-off January let alone winter. I know you mentioned that it's different than 2011-12, but it's clearly Is much different. With the cold look dominating the foreseeable future, if any sort of clipper pattern pans out you will definitely get some of the goods.

My guess is it has to do with the rural prairie terrain.

Clipper pattern potential.

It always is!

Detroit made it down to 10ﾟ this morning, easily the coldest temperature of the Winter so far. The sun is shining brightly, after being missing an action for who knows how long, and the snow glistened beautifully. Never can get that glitter fully captured in a picture.

I was not sure where the cut off was. As said 2.7" here, and I heard 1.8" down in Monroe but only 0.4" at Toledo airport.

I'm not sure about the track, but it just seems like in general much of the snow shield under performed, with a few exceptions of course. How did you do in your part of Toledo?

Finished with 2.7" here and DTW. Expected more but still pretty out. 2nd largest event of the season (4.2" Nov 27/28). Reports show most of SE MI had 2-4", highest are of 4-4.5" in Northern Macomb, southern st Clair, Genesee Co. I have doubts about 5-6 in Troy but it was a drifty snow. It would also seem 2.5" on pns for troy is too low. I will say that every other event this season has been pretty straightforward without any blowing or drifting so very easy to measure, this is the 1st event where you're likely to see some totals that appear too low or too high. Very slippery with the icy pavement underneath it. Based on chicago area it seems like a lot of the snow shield underperformed outside isolated bands.

Since 2014...what in the world is going on with November and December snowfall at Detroit. 5 out of 8 years saw more in November. Year - Nov - Dec 2014 - 4.0" - 0.1" 2015 - 6.2" - 1.3" 2016 - 0.1" - 16.8" 2017 - T - 22.5" 2018 - 6.7" - 0.5" 2019 - 9.5" - 2.7" 2020 - 3.5" - 9.6" 2021 - 7.1" - 3.3" For reference...avg is 1.5" Nov and 8.9" Dec.